i heard that u cant do backups of gtavc and mgss is that true

nope. So don't worry.

I don t know they aren't here yet.

Supposed to be DVD9 jobs arent they? Will have to be 2 DVDr if so!

I am sure someone will find a patch or a way to rip it to fit on 2 DVD-Rs or x amount of CD-Rs.

It just takes time for the "groups" to find a solution around DVD-9 format games.

If there dvd9, they will be unreadable to any PC drive

didnt they say that about xbox games

i heard that aliens were going to land on the earth and enslave us to do their bidding. i hear lots of things that have no chance of being true. have there been any other games that weren't able to be backed up?

You heard that too? I thought I was the only one. "They" really are coming. I must alert the public of my knowledge. I am glad I am not the only one. I thought I was crazy....well...back to talking to myself...:):):)

They couldn't backup GC games...and it's been a while already. What's taking so long. Sure I heard you could play gc backup on dvdr using the "Q".

well see, If are on DVD9 format, theres no way to read them yet, X-box games can be backed up cause you can network your PC to your X-box.
Like I said, well see

maybe you can network your ps2 through the network adapter to your pc?

just curious, are there any other games that are on dvd9 format??? i never heard of this until today

surely ps2 dvd9s can be read with pc just like videos the format of the games will be the same.

Ya, DVD-9s can be easily read by PC. What do you think all the DVD movies are. Most are Dual Layer Pressed DVD-9. You can read those fine on the PC.

PC will be able to read the PS2 DVD-9 games, but we just need a "group" to release some sort of patch or rip process to make it fit on 2 DVD-Rs.

If anyone has a XenoSaga Jap version (I think that's what it is called?) Check to see if you can read it on a PC. I am sure you can. That's the only PS2 game so far on DVD-9 (Which is just dual layer DVD - Which your PC DVD rom can easily read)

i reckon it will work on pc's, plus i heard that soon the dual layer dvd burners are avalible so things are not what you think it is.

I have read a lot of dual layer movies on my pc drive so unless sony "protect" them from being read we should have a problem.So many people believe vice will be dual layer and yet they have no friggin clue:mad: in fact mgs2 substance isnt even it is on a double sided disc according to the OPS2M Australia.

just curious, wouldn't these dvd9 discs make the ps2 laser work even harder or are they read the same way as a regular dvd?

uh, no.......that means you would be working the DVD laser to death by playing DVD movies on them, I think Sony intended us to play DVD movies right?

Dual Layer burner, the technology is not there yet. All DVD-9s are Pressed. Two single layer on top of each other.

I like to see Dual Layer burners also, but how to make the burner pass through the first layer without burning and burn the second layer only. I wouldn't know how it's possible.........just have to wait and see.

Anyways, it is not like games are gonna be 9 gigs for a while. The dvd-9 is just protection, and once ripped the game can still (most likely) be put on one dvd, or even 1 cd.

From what I know, Dual-Layer Movies can be read, but the second layer can't be copied.

X-box uses DVD9, why can't a PC read them?

Who says PS2 can't do the same?

Well, then I have a few suggestions:
Even if your PC couldn't read DVD9 (It CAN though, don't worry about that), Xbox owners could put them in their Xbox, then rip the data off of them to their PC hard drive. Then, IF the data is beyond 4.7GB, the data could be downsized, etc, to below 4.7GB, then burned back to a DVDR. So, reading the things WILL NOT be the issue.
I think that IF and ONLY IF they go with DVD9, then the only issue will be to remove the media checks that are related to the DVD9 format (as stated earlier). That will not be a really big issue, since even the novice hex-editing people will be able to do this. So that can be solved too.
As far as dual-layer DVD9 burners, not sure whether or not this will happen, or not......maybe. But I know that DVD9 holds about 9.6GB, and that just happens to be about the same amount as DVD-RAM discs hold. So, a DVD burner may not be able to do the dual-layer thing, but it may be possible in the near future for DVD-R burners/media to reach that amount of data.(Yes I know DVD-RAM is a different media, I am just giving an example that the same size of a disc can hold the DVD9 amount of data). So whether, or not, the burned DVD disc is actually dual-layered or not may be irrelevant, so long as all the data is on the disc (9.6GB).
That should put to rest whether, or no the burner neeeds to be capable of burning the actual two layers. What is needed is just the media, and drive, that are capable of that amount of data.
So, I guess, to sum it up..............we shouldn't really worry about what format/media the game comes on, there WILL be a way to back it up.

XBox original games are Pressed with slight offset on the layers, I read a post on that on the XBox forum somewhere. Therefore, that's why only the DVD drive on the XBox can read the original where as no PC DVD can read the original.

PS2 can do the same if they have incorporated that design into the laser build initially like the XBox has done. So far, we can read DVD5 games (for the PS2) on the PC, if anyone has a Jap Xenosaga, please let us know if you can read it on a PC (since that's a confirmed DVD9 game on the Ps2).

Jaymus

Just wait until they release. There are only two weeks before GTA:VC releases. That is going to be a great game and it worths every penny. For Metal Gear, it is just going to be an enhanced version of the old one. Don't know why Konomi still releases it on PS2.

Ya, well put Discwizard.

There's gonna be a way to back it up either way.

and plus the second layer on a dvd movie CAN be read/copied and as discwizrd said you just copy it to your hd then rip it accordingly or split it as for checks I actually doubt it.Because the messiah injects a dvd code and can boot Xenosaga,hence means it uses the same code.Still even if it has,it is no big problem