What i need to make a super cdg disk. Can anybody out their help me. :cool:

Speed562,

http://www.cavsusa.com/SuperCDG/scdg_make.html

I'm working on one now. It's very time consuming.

Maddhatter62

Appreciate the info. Have you had any luck so far. I'm going to take a look at this to see what i have to do. If you don;t mind i would like to stay in touch if that is OK. Maybe by email. :tup:

Right now, I'm compiling my text file, and converting mp3+gs to mcgs. You have to rename all of your song files to match the numbers in your text files. Think about it. If you have 1000 songs, you have to rename 2000 files. I haven't started that phase yet, and it takes the most time.

Maddhatter62

Have you asked around the forum to see if their is a better way to change all the file names.So far i have got some pretty good help from the folks. Cause i;m new just like you are to this forum. Trust goes a long way so i guess i will have to gain their trust. Thanks for replying back. :tup:

I'm not sure how many people are using Super CDGs. Only a couple of players (made by CAVS) will play them. The MCG format is proprietary to CAVS. I'd be surprised if more than a few folks have made a Super CDG. It's a lot of work unless you own a player. Right now I'm just experimenting to see if I can do it.

Maddhatter62

I went to the sight where you said to go. I thought their might be a temp virson to try. It didn't show one. It seems like anymore their is a lot of work to do doing karaoke. But we might get lucky and someone will be on the forum that has had some experiance doing this and might offer a hand. Stay intouch. Thanks :tup:

Have you had any luck yet making your super CDG disk. I'm still waiting on my encoder to come in from cavs. :cool:

how do you mean super cdg ?

I created my first SCDG from CDGs. It worked great.

Maddhatter62

Gram,

Check out the link farther back in this thread. Super CDG (SCDG) allows you to record up to 1000 mp3+g's on a DVD, and play this SCDG disk on one of several CAVS players.

Maddhatter62

Maddhatter, Did this project take a lot of time after you got started. Does the encoder convert to mp3+g to (MCG format). I guess what i'm asking will the encoder rip the songs from the disk or what. Do you think you might be able to help me with this through email when my software comes in. I'm not expecting the software till wednesday. My email address is speed3552003@yahoo.com. :tup:

right this sounds interesting ?.....are they as one single file or is it like mp3g where theres 2 files for every song ? i recently burned a dvd with 52 discs on each having 17 tracks on (884 tracks)......but that was mp3+g 2 files each song...........this awf player ? this cavs company obviously have done theyre version then have they ?

Gram,

A Super CDG (SCDG) created on a 4.7 GB DVD, is comprised of 4 or 5 900MB DAT files. These disks are only playable on a few CAVS players, and the MCG file format is proprietary to CAVS. Two good things, however, are that you can now buy commercial SCDG collections, and the players are relatively inexpensive. The DVD-202G for example, costs about $210. I've seen this player in action, and once the disk is loaded, it scans for individual tracks very quickly. It's big drawback is that it has only one DVD drive, so there's no ability to queue up between drives.

Maddhatter62

Well I figured that if you can create SCDG's then you can uncreate them right?
Well that is what I'm trying to acomplish. And I'm having all sorts of trouble. If any one has any Idea on how to convert the Nutech SCDG Vol 1&2 into CDG, BIN, or MP3+G format? please let me know. Verry desprate...... Thanks.

As far as I know, SCDGs can't be reversed. If they can, neither CAVS or anybody else, has released a DAT file decoder to do the job. Good question, though. :round:

Maddhatter62

Thanks, But It is more than a question at this time for me. I use a pc karaoke based system. The format that I use for my songs is a ziped mp3+g file. The program I use is sax n' dotty's. I have to say it does a great job. The nutech's I bought don't use that format so I'm not able to includ them in my hoster program. Thus when I do a show I'm forced to run two programs, Sax n' Dotty's and CAVS player program which doesn't have may options. So now I have been trying to rip the disks into either a bin., mp3+g., cdg., or any other file format that I can then convert into eventuwaly a ziped mp3+g format. So I'm scowering the internet and every forum I come across in hopes that this can be done. I spoke with CAVS and they said that they don't offer a decoder program for their Nutech disk which you are very correct in saying. And they are not very forthcomming on helping me with my endever. I there is my peace and If any one has any advise please please pretty please.... shoot me an email or or another post. I would greatly apriceate this.

Thank you.

If you send me an email lable the subject "SCDG SAVIOR" and send it to Jcummines2000@yahoo.com

Thanks once again I really apriceate the help.

Maddhatter, i want ever body on this forum to know what you did to help me
out with my project. YOU ARE THE MAN. THANKS BUDDY. WELL APPRECIATED :tup:

Well let me ask does any one know enugh about decoding to creat a decoder for the cav's I would do it my self but I'm not savy with software, I'm a hardware guy. Or mabey could some one point me in the right direction on how to create a decoder program and I can play with it from there?

Thanks guys

Madhatter62

If you are the MAN when it comes to scdg, then I need to talk to you!! I am soooooo confused, not to mention frustrated. Trying to create scdg from my current cdg discs and files on my computer. I used the CAVS encoder to create mp3 and mcg files, and they will play with the PlayCDG program on my computer. However, when it comes to put them on a disc, I am out in left field without a glove!!! I THINK that I followed the directions properly, but when I click on SCDG Batch file, It is suppose to create a CAVS_MCG folder with .dat files in it. The folder shows up, but it is empty!!! Any suggestions???

You need to go back in your scdg folder and make shure that when you labeled your songs that nuthing is out of order. If you get one number wrong it will not create your dat file. I had the same problem and found that i had one two many zero's. If you need help just let me know how far you are now.

speed

Speed

I am just trying a couple of songs just to see how it works (before I start on the 7000 that I have to do). I have 3 songs, both in .mcg and .mp3 Format Sound from the CAVS encoder program, (which play using PlayCDG program just fine) in a directory C:\SCDG, also in this folder is the file scdg_encoder.exe. I think the part I may be getting wrong is the text file. I am using Word to create the list and saving it as scdg.cfg, this is how they are listed:

00001#I swear#Montgomery
00002#He thinks hell keep her#Carpenter
00003#Thats my story#Raye

(I was not sure wheather or not I could use , or ' so I didn't)

When I double click the scdg_encoder.exe, it creates 4 files. (SCDG, SCDG1, SCDG2, SCDG3) When I double click on the SCDG, it creates the CAVS_MCG folder, but it is empty. Any help you can give will be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks
Happie

(Also, a thought was that the mp3 file is in mp3 Format Sound from Windows Meida Player may be a problem)

Happie

Go to your c drive,click on tools, click on folder options, click on view and see if the (do not show hidden folder is checked) or if it shows (show all hidden files and folders). If it is showing do not show hidden files and folders you need to change it to show all files and folders. Then when you do that reboot you computer. And do what you have been doing and i think that will fix your problem. Allso you need to use notepad instead of word pad. I want you to try this as well in notepad.00001#
00002# now do everthing else you have been doing just to make shure it is working for you before you start making your first scdg. Good luck and i hope this will fix your problem.

Speed

Happie,

Several things can keep your SCDG batch file from creating .dat files, as Speed562 has told you. One is spaces between sections in your SCDG.cfg file. For example: 00001# not 00001 #. Notice I didn't set this up as: 0001#Song#Artist. You don't need to do this, as Speed562 kindly pointed out. It works just as well listing entries in your SCDG batch file as:
00001#
00002#
00003#
etc. This way, you can make one SCDG.cfg file, and use it over and over by adding or subtracting song numbers. In other words, if your first SCDG contains 900 songs, and your second SCDG contains 910 songs, you can take the SCDG.cfg file from your first SCDG, rename it to SCDG.txt, add 10 more entries (00901# - 00910#), and then resave it as SCDG.cfg. If your SCDG.cfg file ever turns out being named SCDG.cfg.txt, just rename it SCDG.cfg. Make sure that there are no blank lines at the bottom of your SCDG.cfg (Notepad list). If it looks like there may be a blank line, use back space under the last number i.e. 00910# to advance the list down a line. Remember to resave the file as SCDG.cfg if you make any of these changes.

Also, as far as I can tell, every SCDG must start at 00001#, and end at whatever your total number of songs for that particular SCDG turns out to be. So, if your first disk contains 900 songs (00001# - 00900#). If your second SCDG contains 910 songs (00001# - 00910#) etc.

Good Luck!

Maddhatter62

P.S. Keep in contact with Speed562. He's got the routine down as well. :luxhello:

Thanks to both Speed and Madhatter. I finally got the answers I was looking for and everything works fine now. But I didn't realize that each disc had to start at 00001. So this info will also help me when I start my second disc!!


Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

(The hair that I pulled out will eventually grow back!!!)

Happie

:madhack: Still trying to figure out how to decode.... tuff stuff... time for a beer :cheers:

I have succesfully created a dat file (that is in the CAVS_MCG directory). I copied this directory to a CD rom but the CAVS SCDG Player won't detect it. Does the CAVS SCDG player only detect commercial SCDG discs?

I do not have a CAVS 202 to test the CD rom on.

Dannelson,

It sounds like the process should've worked. You need a player that plays SCDGs, and as far as I know, only the CAVS DVD-202G series players will play SCDGs. You say the CAVS SCDG player won't detect the disk, but then you say you don't have a CAVS DVD-202G to test it on. What CAVS SCDG player did you use to try and detect the CAVS_MCG folder on your CD?

Maddhatter62

Cavs gives away a PC based SCDG player at:

http://www.cavsusa.com/SuperCDG/scdg_pc.html

The download is at:

http://www.cavsusa.com/scdg/PlaySCDG_1002.exe

The instructions for the creation of an SCDG disc indicates that the SCDG discs that are created can not be played on a PC. Since I have never had any luck getting a response from CAVS I thought I would ask some one here if they have had any success playing a created SCDG disc on the PC.

I have never seen what's on a commercial SCDG disc. Do commercial SCDG disks just have a CAVS_MCG directory with a DAT file in it (and also a free player)?

I am VERY interested in getting a decoder for the DAT file. Since we have the encoder (from CAVS) someone could disassemble the executables and "build" (write) a decoder. Of course CAVS does not want any part of it because then commercial SCDG discs could be "pickled".

Dan

Dannelson,

If you read: http://www.cavsusa.com/SuperCDG/scdg_make.html
you see WARNING: Self made Super CD+G discs are NOT compatible to PC. I'm not sure how they're different, but SCDGs you make, can only be read on the DVD-202g series from CAVS. Also, though I'm not saying it can't be done, you won't find any information anywhere about decoding SCDGs back down to mp3+g/mcg format. It's a program that would have to be written, as you've said.

Maddhatter62

P.S. The free PC player is only for commercially made SCDGs. I'm not sure whether you receive this software with every disk you buy. According to your first link above: http://www.cavsusa.com/SuperCDG/scdg_pc.html the commercial SCDGs you buy from CAVS come with a player. You can buy commercial SCDGs at many online karaoke stores. They're produced by the major karaoke providers i.e. Chartbuster, DK, etc. I think CAVS provides the player online as a courtesy.

CAVS wrote me back with this reply:

Hi,
It is not possible to let custom made SCDG discs to play in PC and
yet protect the song data of commercial SCDG disc. You open one
and then you open the other.

Please enlighten us with your reason for wishing to play custom
made SCDG discs in PC.

CAVS

I was only trying to see if my self made SCDG disc would work. I guess I will find a CAVS player and try it.

Where can I find Blank CD+G Discs and what do you recommend as a software and hardware burner? Thanks

This is the wrong thread for your question. Please do a forum search for "burning CD+G" or something like that, and you'll find tons of information.

Cheers!

Maddhatter62

To any one who might be interested.

I used Magic ISO [URL=http://www.magiciso.com/] create ISO image to my hard drive. Magic ISO can then burn the image to DVD. I only had the "Try Me" version, (couldn't find a crack) and it limits burns to 300 mb, so I used Roxio EZ DVD Creator to burn the image to DVD. Put the new disk in my CAVS DVD202 and it plays just like the original. I've made backups of all my other Super CDG's and they work fine. I'd like to now create my own Super CDG's from all my othe karaoke collection, but don't have the CAVS encoder program. If any one has a copy and would like to share or swap, please email me at edpumphandle@hotmail.com