yo every1 in the yard :D i was looking at another site.. and heard ps3 when it comes out the disks are gonna be like hollowgram disks''
the laser be ultra blue ray light laser so it can only read them disks.. cos there gonna b massive like 500gigs!! neway i like 2 see ppl make copy bk up of them lol.. sony might will def put heavy protection on the ps3 i bet!..might make it like ya cant bypass the hollowgram date if its got 1.. like a id...these disks seem wierd!! neway dm3 chip, aint even cracked a chip for the slimline ps2 yet have they? they said there still working on it cos the laser is 2 senstive!! they need 2 get around that problem!!! cos it keeps blowing it up!! cheers from yo

they said they couldnt chip a PS2 as well.

They also said DVD's would never be copied, N64 would never be emulated, the Titanic would never sink...

lol yer... but do u really fink there kick out a dvd burner straight away or even them 500gig disks i dont fink soo it all take away soo dont b in hopes u retard!! were talking professional now get me!!

First, 500gig is a LOT of data for developers to generate. Second, Blue Ray discs will probably be more expensive to manufacture... so, I'd expect most initial PS3 games are going to use DVD5 / DVD9. Or at least be small enough to rip to DVD9. DVD9 media should be cheap by then. Also, if blue ray is going to become the next media standard, there will be burners.

If backup discs won't work, games could also be streamed over a network like Gamecube backups.

There hasn't been a system yet that won't play backups, so I wouldn't be in a panic over something that hasn't even been officially spec'd yet.

LOL 500gigs BS

Blu Ray disc can only hold 25-50GBs and I don't believe sony has even said if the PS3 would use a Blu Ray setup. It's not a fully supported media like DVD, but since Sony developed it I guess they would be the ones to use it in their own device. Of course that would work to Sony's advatage, the harder it is to get media the less they have to worry about back-ups. Like others have said you could stream it or play from a hard drive. There will always be away around the security. Question is how far are you willing to go to play a back-up game?

500GBs :laugh:

"hollowgram disks''"
WTF?!
yeah holograms are being looked at as massive storage, but that technology is a bit more in the future than the PS3.

wot u tring get funny wid... i saw n heard there making these disks.... n they will b good. they hold 100 times more then a dvd disk! if not more. hard 2 beileve but technology does got up man.. if u look on othewr forums see other ppls advice who been in the game more. u cant just stay on 1 forum n judge.. n them disks are out in jap tdk i fink was 1st 2 make them!! n there not selling well either i heard.. lol copyed 2dvd 9s.. na i dont fink ur b able 2 bk up ps3 games 2 dvd9s i bet ya dvd disks b **** by then. there start using holagram disks!!! its furture init!!! normal dvd disks b like video tapes lol

and poor jules i know u find it hard 2 take it in... but yer holagram discs!!! lol

LOL :laugh:

wot u tring get funny wid... i saw n heard there making these disks.... n they will b good. they hold 100 times more then a dvd disk! if not more. hard 2 beileve but technology does got up man.. if u look on othewr forums see other ppls advice who been in the game more. u cant just stay on 1 forum n judge.. n them disks are out in jap tdk i fink was 1st 2 make them!! n there not selling well either i heard.. lol copyed 2dvd 9s.. na i dont fink ur b able 2 bk up ps3 games 2 dvd9s i bet ya dvd disks b **** by then. there start using holagram disks!!! its furture init!!! normal dvd disks b like video tapes lol

I don't know WTF was said in the above post, but please take an english class. I hope this is just a bad joke by a Sony employee. Anyway here is some REAL information about hologram storage tech:

"new storage technique that taps the technology behind the familiar hologram stickers on credit cards promises to put entire libraries and weeks worth of motion pictures on a couple CD-sized discs. But with an expected price tag of nearly $100,000, hologram storage remains little more than an apparition.

InPhase's prototype CD-sized hologram disc can hold up to 400 gigabytes of information and retrieve it at speeds of roughly 30 megabytes per second. At that speed, people could download a DVD movie in about 30 seconds. Meanwhile, IBM is working on a system that stores 250 gigabytes in a square inch of hologram space. And a prototype hologram storage machine exhibited last month at CeBIT, the world's largest computer and technology trade show, can hold 1 terabyte, or 1,000 gigabytes, of information in a hologram crystal chip the size of a watch face, according to German creators Optostor AG.

The secret is storing data in three dimensions throughout the entire thickness of the storage medium, be it a disc, a card or a wafer thin chip. Current magnetic and optical storage devices, such as computer hard drives or CD-ROMs, store data on their surfaces only. Hologram storage mediums also have lifetimes of up to 100 years, compared to the typical 4-year span of the typical hard drive, because they are more resistant to temperature swings, water, acid and electrical fields. The idea is for the lasers to hit the medium at thousands of different angles and depths, utilizing the entire thickness of the medium. By recalling data in packets of millions of bits, downloading from hologram storage is also envisioned as being at least 30 times faster than current storage methods, which read back data one bit at a time.

The storage material itself has long been a problem. It needs to be sensitive enough that a low power laser can write and read on it. But if it is too sensitive, the laser can actually wipe out stored data as it's being retrieved."

Dude who says I stay in just one forum I've been backing up games since PS1. I build all my own computers and keep pretty well up to date on tech. I'm a regular on many tech sites including CD-Rlabs, Maximum PC, AVS forum, etc. They haven't even settled on a HD-DVD standard yet. Sony is making Blu-Ray, but you also have Toshiba and others backing another HD-DVD standard, and just two days ago another company entered into the HD DVD fray. "If two blue laser technologies weren't enough, Taiwan's Opto-Electronics & Systems Laboratories (OES) has introduced yet another. Called HD-DVD-1, this new format was developed to compete with both Blu-ray and HD-DVD. "

Please explain to me how hologram storage is "ready" for public use when HD-DVD isn't even ready yet? Yes companies are looking at Holograms for storage. No it is not ready for public/wide-scale use. I espcially like this line; "But with an expected price tag of nearly $100,000, hologram storage remains little more than an apparition."

This is my last post as your are too silly to be taken seriously and this must be a practical joke.

I encourage the Mods here to delete your thread.

wot the fck u on u fcking mother****er.. me need english lesson lol i been in this game 4time i aint no geek like u who reads u can tell that from ur post lol.. bet ur a sony adviser lol fool!!! yer see 400gigs.. but 1 fing u twat.. another company have kicked disc out in JAPAN which iz 500gigs yer!! ? u got that.. just like a dvd 5 iz under 5gigs and dvd 9 iz about 9. somefink... only cos there holgram dont mean there all same sizes u ****ing twat.. sony use up2 500gigs.. like on some ps2 games they use dvd 9s.. u dont get it.. n for me needing english u need 2do research more u motherfcker lol

ur usa u dont know wot am saying am english. uk are better.. if u cant understand our lyrrcs dont eva fcking bother leaving ur country!! lol

LOL

The response I would expect from a 12 year old who watches too much Ali G. I'm sorry to break it to you, but I have left the US and I have been to Europe.

Respect :cheers:

aint no geek like u who reads u can tell that from ur post lol..

Oh I suppose you have first hand experience with these disc right? Not basing your opinion on something you read on a forum right? Thought not you Twat. Please post a link as proof if you can. I keep looking, but only find tech demos and experiments. If Sony needed more space for PS3 games they would use their Blu-Ray disc which can hold 25GBs or 50GBs just like our current DVDs can be SL 5GBs and DL 9GBs.

Anyway if you are correct I will eat crow and apologize, but I doubt I will have to. EGM had an interesting article about the problems with larger games and better graphics. They require a much longer development cycle which means less games per year and cost more to make a game. Two years is a good bit of time in the tech arena so who knows? Maybe when the PS3 is ready hologram discs will be rolling out.

For shits and giggles I ran one of your posts through Word. Holy **** it took forever for the spell and grammar check to get through it. Oh yeah, your welcome for helping you out with that mod chip info.

Sony has confirmed blue ray disc SUPPORT for the PS3 and are currently working on a BR disc to hold up to 200 Gig. But, unless, there's a lot of CGI of caputred video on the disk I would dare the game developer to come up with 200 Gig of gamecode. Seeing the amount of DVD9 games out there at this point, I wouldn't worry one bit.

And as stated before, there hasn't been a system that couldn't be hacked, even the ones with proprietary media like the GC and DC... Both of which were cracked eventually...

So, hold yer horses, don't worry and besides, 2006 is still a long time away... First things first and currently that the PSP due this month...

Ali G Iz Fake Just Like U Punk/.. This About Disk Was On Dawn Thread Forum.. I Read It On There... Well If Ps2 Iz Gonna N 100 Times More Perfect Then Ps2 It B Using Bigger Games Then Dvd -9s U Fool... U Use Other Peoples Information Trie Looking Up Ur Own Offical Proof That They Dont..i Fink Its Just 2good 2b True U Cant Take It In!!! Lol Am Out1

I Mean Ps3))

seen pictures of ps2 there design it looks ugly like a dream cast xbox shape

Nintendo has made its console impervious to chipping and guess what, not selling in big numbers. If Sony wants to go down this route, so be it. I don't give a toss.

Ali G Iz Fake Just Like U Punk/.. This About Disk Was On Dawn Thread Forum.. I Read It On There... Well If Ps2 Iz Gonna N 100 Times More Perfect Then Ps2 It B Using Bigger Games Then Dvd -9s U Fool... U Use Other Peoples Information Trie Looking Up Ur Own Offical Proof That They Dont..i Fink Its Just 2good 2b True U Cant Take It In!!! Lol Am Out1

As I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, I'm not going to waste my time too long on this. But in spite of reading on forums, you might want to stick to official Sony press-releases which state : PS3 will at least have support for Blue Ray, btw that doesn't mean Blue Ray Discs are the preferred media type. Ps2 started out with both DVD-5 and CD based games. And at this point most of the games are DVD-5, even though the systems works with DVD-9 as well. It's just a matter of practical use. Secondly Sony is currently developing Blue Ray disks that can hold op to 200 Gig...

you just put words in my mouth!! I didnt say sony aint making them disks.. i said in jap they have already brought out the 500gig disk.. and that sony might b using them..At this time no1 can tell.. its just wot i read so dont put this $hit on me..and some1 above posted saying, there aint no console that cant play.. yer well u seen any1 playing copys on the gamecube? na u dont..maybe imports and thats about it..

Well maybe, but you know how it goes... B-side, people are playing rips on GC. DC couldn't be cracked they said, because of the specific media being used. And after a little while somehow I ended up with all releases the DC scene provided me with, burnt on a nice little 800 MB Cd-r, running like the wind, even without a boot disk...

And who cares if it get's ripped to DVD-9 or even Blue Ray. Looking at the XBOX scene there's rips comming out that are in iso format just for archiving. Playing the actual game requires the image to be copied to hard drive. So as long as I can get the games on my system I don't care on what type of media they're supplied or even on none at all.

I'm not saying there's not going to be some game on a 500 GB disc. Just seems not very likely at this time. Because, that's a lot of space for any developer to fill. And besides. That's a whole two years in the future. Maybe they'll even use an non-standard media. Like the TerraByte Disc, currently in development...

And I'm not putting words in your mouth. Read my posts thouroughly and you will see that... Seems to me you're a bit on the sensative side or what ?

well shame you cant get a hardrive for the gamecube! and u cant get the small blank disks gamecube uses.. yer i know about the dreamcast i got1 :D ...yer i know wot ur saying.. but how this post started 2go bad was some1 said no them blue ray 500gig disks dont excist! yer they do but at this time not begin used by ps3.. i just wrote in post in wot they might be using and some ppl on this forum flip.. lol fools. this forum is for advise sharing idea's and helping eachother if somefinks wrong, or even giving latest news in wot u hear.. not 2 fight.. some ppl on here are fools!! oh yer dreamcast still rocks ;)

AND MAYBE SOME1 GAVE U A SMALL BLANK DISK BUT U TRIE BUYING 1.. GAME CUBES BEEN OUT FOR AGES STILL NO1 HAS DONE DISKS FOR IT!!! (blank disks) LoL

AND MAYBE SOME1 GAVE U A SMALL BLANK DISK BUT U TRIE BUYING 1.. GAME CUBES BEEN OUT FOR AGES STILL NO1 HAS DONE DISKS FOR IT!!! (blank disks) LoL

Your stupidity knows no bounds. There is a GC mod chip out called the Viper and there are mini DVD disc that can fit in a GameCube and are being used to play back ups.

http://www.ps2nfo.com/viper.html

If you are a member you can check out the GameCube Forums here: http://www.************/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=50

Insert ps2ownz where there are asterisks, damn cdrom-guide.

Many threads going on about the Viper mod chip

People are making back ups on mini DVDs, 8cm, that fit perfectly in the Game Cube, case and all. You back up a game the same way we did with the Dreamcast use the broadband adapter and use the Game Cube as a drive to rip the game to your PC and then burn it to mini DVD or a full size DVD. If you burn a full size DVD you have to play with the case off the cube, but there are people already developing Game Cube covers that will work with full size DVDs. The GC disc only hold around 1.5GBs of data, so it might seem like a waste of space to use a full DVD, but regular sized DVD-/+Rs are actually cheaper than the Mini DVD-Rs.

http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/gc-viper.html
http://www.chip-factory.com/product_detail.asp?pid=42
http://www.game-acc4all.com/modchip/viper/viper.htm
http://www.the-console-corner.com/gc_viper_chip.htm
http://www.videogamecompany.com/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Upgrades_and_GameCube_adapters__1 12.html

Oh, here is some news on a Holographic Drive, You’ll will notice that this is said to be the first holographic drive prototype. You keep making it seem like every company in Japan has a Holographic drive sitting in their basement ready to be rolled out. It's simply not the case. Let me parallel what you have said in this thread. Scientist discover a gene to prevent cancer. You assume we have a cure for cancer when in reality we have a ton more work on creating a cure and finding the gene was the tip of the iceberg.


“InPhase Technologies Introduces the World's First Holographic Drive Prototype
Tuesday January 4, 6:30 am ET
InPhase Partnerships With Industry and Government Lead to Development of Next-Generation Breakthrough Data Storage Technology
LONGMONT, Colo.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Jan. 4, 2005-- InPhase Technologies today announced a breakthrough in data storage with the world's first prototype of a holographic storage drive. InPhase, the leader in holographic data storage systems and media, has built several prototypes that conclusively demonstrate the dawning of the next phase in digital recording and moves holographic storage from research to commercialization.
The prototype is the foundation for InPhase's family of Tapestry(TM) holographic drives, with data capacities that range from 200 GB to 1.6 TB on a single disk. The completion of the prototype was enabled by InPhase's development of key recording techniques and holographic media, the commercial availability of critical components, strong partnerships with leading storage innovators, and government funding.
"The InPhase prototype drive serves as the mile marker on the path to commercialization of holographic storage. This technology offers the highest density and performance of any optical system and will assume a prominent role in the storage landscape," said Nelson Diaz, president and CEO of InPhase Technologies. "The development of the Tapestry prototype drive was a cooperative effort that successfully demonstrates the strength of corporate and government collaboration in the implementation of breakthrough technologies."
The prototype drive records data into InPhase's patented two-chemistry Tapestry(TM) photopolymer WORM material. The recording material is 1.5 mm thick and is sandwiched between two 130 mm diameter transmissive plastic disk substrates. The National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency's National Technology Alliance program (NTA) partially funded the development of the holographic media and the automation of some of the manufacturing processes. Hitachi Maxell, Ltd., a key investor and development partner of InPhase, designed and developed a new cartridge that provides maximum protection for the light-sensitive recording material, while maintaining the ease of integrating the cartridge into automated libraries. In addition, Maxell is developing high-volume media manufacturing processes.
The prototype arranges more than one million bits of data into a single page, which is recorded with a single flash of a 407 nm laser beam. Multiple pages of data, referred to as a book, are recorded in one spot on the disk providing approximately 12 MB of data in a single book location.
The prototype drive includes all drive subsystems such as the auto load/unload mechanics, servo system, holographic read/write head, data channel and electronics. The media cartridge is loaded and unloaded automatically using a mechanism designed and developed for InPhase by ALPS Electric Co. Ltd., an InPhase investor and development partner.
The servo system, designed and developed by InPhase, regulates both radial and rotational movement of the media and the angle of the reference beam. During a read operation, feedback from the hologram provides information to the servo system to optimize the recovery of the data with the best signal to noise ratio.
The holographic read/write head is the heart of the system, and in the past availability of high quality, yet affordable optical components was an issue. However, the 407 nm blue lasers recently available in other optical devices provide the wavelength required for high capacity holographic storage. CMOS active pixel sensor arrays used in digital cameras are also available, as are spatial light modulators used in digital TVs and projectors. InPhase's industry partners continue to optimize these components for use in holographic storage.
Displaytech, Inc., the leader in ferroelectric liquid crystal on silicon (FLCOS) microdisplays, and InPhase have formed a joint venture funded by a grant from the National Institute of Standards and Technology's Advanced Technology Program (ATP) for the development of a spatial light modulator that will be used in the entire InPhase product family ranging up to 1.6 terabytes on a single 130 mm diameter holographic disk.
The system electronics, data formats, and electronic and logical interfaces in the holographic prototype drive were also developed by InPhase and funded partially by the NTA for the eventual use in geospatial image archive applications.
A discussion of the latest InPhase developments will be held during the "New Developments and Challenges in Content Storage" panel at Storage Visions 2005 held at the Las Vegas Convention center on Wednesday, January 5th.
About InPhase Technologies
InPhase Technologies is the leading developer of holographic data storage (HDS) recording media and systems. Based in Longmont, Colorado, InPhase was founded in 2000, as a Lucent Technologies (NYSE: LU - News) venture, and is comprised of some of the storage industry's leading executives, scientists and engineers. InPhase is funded by venture capital investors including New Venture Partners LLC, Signal Lake Ventures, Madison Dearborn Partners, Newton Technology Partners, Yasuda Enterprise Development, Japan Asia Investment Company, and Mr. B.J. Cassin. Corporate investors include Hitachi Maxell, Ltd., Imation Corp. (NYSE: IMN - News), and ALPS Information Technology Fund. For more information on InPhase, please visit the company's Web site at www.inphase-tech.com.
EDITOR'S NOTE: For a color photograph of Nelson Diaz, InPhase president and CEO, or the InPhase prototype drive, please contact Liz Murphy at 720-494-7465 or lizmurphy@inphase-tech.com.

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Contact:
For InPhase Technologies
Chris Pfaff, 201-218-0262
c.pfaff@att.net
or
InPhase Technologies
Liz Murphy, 720-494-7465
lizmurphy@inphase-tech.com


For pictures check out www.cdrlabs.com and scroll down a little

Sony won't use it on the PS3 because game developers are barely using DVD9 disc let alone 200GB. They will have support for their Blu-Ray discs, but game developers will not necessarily need to use a Blu-Ray disc and I doubt that many will. EGM had a great article on how larger games are causing a much lower production rate. Companies that typically made 20 games a year are making 10 due to the time it takes to create these large games and the increase in production budgets.

Oh and you are still my little be-yotch :splat:

I also recokon that the next consoles will be alot harder to crack, ppl say theres always a way, or course theres always a way but the way is not always found. Games are becoming more expensive to make this in turn makes game developing a much more risky business (alot more at stake unless your EA or Microsoft of course).

But there are examples of where we have to buy the orginal and theres no way round it. e.g Half Life 2, all XBOX live games erm unreal 2004.

I think that companies will start to use these methods alot in order to protect their hard work from thieving *******s.

I mean we have all downloaded or played a pirated game at some point but how far are willing to take the whole piracy thing? Do we all want to end up in a situation wheres theres only EA and Microsoft coz they are the only ones that can afford the loss due to the effect of piracy.

:madhack:

Jacks

on the subject of Blue Ray and HD DVD, I am sure like all previous media (tape,cd,dvd) Writers will be released for home use

"To gather more support for their format, the Blu-ray group is looking beyond Hollywood, to the gaming industry. According to PC World, both EA and VUG are planning to announce support for the Blu-ray disc format.
Electronic Arts and Vivendi Universal Games, both major game software makers, are due to announce their support for the Blu-ray Disc optical disc format.

The two companies are scheduled to make the announcement on Thursday afternoon at the International Consumer Electronics Show here, according to Blu-ray Disc Association member-company sources who did not wish to be named.

Recent months have seen many of the major Hollywood studios signal support for either Blu-ray Disc or the competing HD-DVD format, but game software publishers have been largely quiet on their plans.
Why Blu-ray and HD DVD discs have a much larger capacity, I can't see many other game manufacturers jumping on the bandwagon quite yet. As it is, very few games come on DVD-ROM, let alone fill one up. In any case, the entire article can be found at PC World."