I wrote a few days ago on 27th feb, about how only one psx game is currently defeating me,as far as backing it up is concerned.I have used clone cd for this and other games.All the others have been fine,and are on cheapish cdr's.

Liteon 24x writer, Teac 540e reader. Ps-x-Changer cd to boot game.

I have now tried four times,including to image file,and brought the read and write speed down to 2x,but still only getting sound,blank screen,and no workable buttons. The game is Syphon Filter 2,PAL version.I heard from NateV that he had no problem with his NTSC copy,but I think my version has Libcrypt built in,at least,that is what clonyxl seems to tell me.However,it also tells me that other psx games of mine have Libcrypt,yet my backups of those work fine on my psx one.Still,there is no other protection detected on this particular game,and I know that by now,my cdrs( albeit they are not TDK or verbatim or other rated cdr's) would have done a working copy,if it wasn't from something stopping that happening.So,assuming it IS Libcrypt,is there a way round this? NateV,if you're also reading this,any ideas mate? I also read somewhere on this board,that someone burned the latest, Syphon Filter 3,also PAL,and that has Libcrypt,and is apparently unplayable. Do I need to try a different burning program?Or,do I need a patch,if so,where from,and how do I install it? Questions,questions,questions!! :hdspin:

Either you're burning setting are off or you need to patch you're game son ;) I suggest you find the correct settings as of I found a universal backup none needed patch setting ;)

Have you tried burning with Read subchannel data audio? Thats what the settings for Clony are. Your burner/cdrom might not be able to read subchannel though. Try it and let us know if it works.
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Yeah guys,my settings have always been read subchannel data and audio,and dont repair subchannel data,all of which my writer can handle.I have always had successful burns and playable backups before.I think I read somewhere that for Libcrypt,it may be better to read subchannel data,but not subchannel audio.Anyone know if that would work better?

Are you sure your burner is compatable with Subchannel? If your burner isn't compatible and you go to copy the cd it won't say anything about it not being able to read subchannel. What kind of burner do you have and model.

Yes Brandono,it is compatible.Its the LIteon 24 speed writer,which is a great machine,supporting most features needed.

Roman5 syphon f 2 has no copy protection in it at all i checked on psx copylist it must be a bad burn or bad origonal.
syphon f 3 dosnt have any protection either pal +ntsc

Wheelie

Thing is wheelie,clonyxl comes up with libcrypt.Though I know there isn't any other protection detected in the game,I think Libcrypt may still be stopping it from working,and the other person that has SF3 said that she has Libcrypt,and she cant play the backup burned. Yes,it could be bad copy,or bad original,or cheap cdrs,but,personally,my instinct tells me it isnt any of that,but rather,an inbuilt prevention method.I already got 4 coasters,written and read at different speeds,and no other thing I ever copied with this system did that yet. I do appreciate you taking the time to reply wheelie,thanks.So, lets assume this is still Libcrpyt,can anyone throw any light on getting around it?

searched the web everyone say no protection but they do have a problem copying it with clone they all say copy it with cdrwin.
this is what one person said:
If cdrwin,clone cd or nero says the disc has errors,unreadable data then the disc is damaged.Try copying from a different original.


hope this helps

Wheelie

ok wheelie,I happen to have cdrwin on my pc,but never tried it before.I'll give it a go.Thanks a lot friend for your research! :)

Ok,I tried cdrwin.It was worth a shot.I now have:- - - - - - - - - 5 coasters! Settings I used for cdrwin were as recommended by another poster on here.It burned at demo speed of 1x.The cdr burned came out just like the ones burned with clone cd.Theres also no patch for it at megagames.com. Can anyone let me know if they still think this thing called Libcrypt is the problem? Just to reiterate,I have had no problems with my cdrs with any other burns except this game,which apparently has no protection,though I think it has Libcrypt. I dont believe my cdrs are at fault.

It may just be that there's a few versions of SF2 floating around that are protected, it's happened before. Have you tried burning anything other than SF2 lately? Maybe your burner's dead, I hope not, but that's the best I can come up with.

long shot but....... try blindread/write which will read and/or burn .bin images so u could try reading with cdrwin and burning with blindwrite vice versa, or fireburner...also, a complete bummer i know but try reading at 1x speed...as a last option it's gotta be worth a try

hope this helps
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clony only detects its a psx game and throws up lybcrypt , whether the psx game is protected or not , ive been told you cant detect if a psx game is protected or not .

Libcrypt protection is placed in subchannel data on the disk so if you have successfully copied other recent PSX games then they must be using some additional copy protection.

I believe that subchannel audio has also caused some problems in the past ie. Medievil 2, but as you say that you had both checked on read and do not repair checked on burn then the only other thing I can suggest is to update your copy of Clonecd (if you haven't already).

If you bring up the log field when you read the disk does it show up any errors??

Thanks Rabby,you confirmed to me what I suspected,that clonyxl throws up Libcrypt all the time.It showed Libcrypt on other games ,but I already had successful burns on those.

Hi The Wizzard.My log shows no errors on reading and burning.I also read somewhere that not checking subchannel audio was an option suggested,so,I'll try yet another cdr,number 6, this time without reading subchannel audio,and see if that makes any difference.I'm getting through my box of ten cdrs quicker than I thought,but,its all in the cause of my research for future reference. Well,its only about £3 I lose in cdr's,no big deal,and my burner hasn't had much exercise until now anyway! :)

Actually,skip that bit I wrote about unticking read audio subchannel.I now read that it won't make any difference,and the backup would supposedly work either way.My version of clone cd is 3.3.4.1. Or, The Wizzard,do you think it is still worth me trying without audio subchannel reading? Maybe this game just doesn't like the psx changer boot cd I use?

Your version of CloneCD is reasonably current so that should be OK, you are right in saying that ticking subchannel audio will make no difference (ie if there isn't anything in subchannel audio having it ticked will not cause any problems)
You mentioned a boot disk!! If your PSX is chipped and you copy an original disk with clonecd you do not need to use a boot disk!!
Is this where your problem lies??

No Wizzard,my console isn't chipped. The boot disc I recently bought was the alternative.It works with my other backups,after I boot with it,then swap to the backup.So,either this is an example of how not all games will work with it,or,the original has extra protection .