Now that all the hubbub has come to a close, what are your thoughts on the Gamecube? Personally, I can't help but feel a bit disappointed as the machine is already starting to remind me of my old Nintendo 64 (cool system with too few games and too few exciting ones on the horizon)...so what are your thoughts? Yes, yes...I know Mario, Zelda, Dinosaur Planet, etc, etc are on the way...but any of you that think they are all coming next year are fooling yourselves...as the old saying goes, "those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it"...

jags

It's ok I'm just disappionted with the game output... There's only been one or two since the launch and they are not that good, namely "Courtside". I play my X-Box alot more and of course my PS2. The X-Box just seems alot nicer to play, to me anyway. It's hard to wage right now who will come out on top of the system wars since they are all doing very well. I really don't care, to tell you the truth, as long as they keep coming out with great titles, games that are fun and inovative. The same ole same ole just doesn't cut it with me and that is what has me wondering about the GameCube. I may have to take it back. (hope not) Take care, CFizz :(

I agree totally CFizz...I also agree that the games are really what matters...my problem now though is that I am wondering if I shouldn't just dump it now and get something good in a trade for it or hold on for the next AAA title...I'll tell you one thing, with X-Box out I'm not going to be as patient as I was with the N64...when I lived in the dorms and then in an apartment with 3 or 4 other guys who loved to play Smash Bros. or Goldeneye it was awesome...but now that I am "all growed up" (somewhat), a few great 4 player titles aren't going to do it for me anymore...

jags

Yeah, I have the GC and the X-Box and after playing "NBA 2002" for the XBox I just may have to dump the GC myself. I just can't wait around for the GC like you say... The BOX is just way ahead of the crowd and it's only the beginning. I can't seem to be able to put this game down and I just can't seem to play anything else other than the XBox. Man what a great job these game developers have done. (On all the X-Box games too.) They have really done their homework on the BOX and I for one will be along for the long haul. Thanks MS for the XBox! Take care, CFizz

Gamecube launch details for UK=£150

this is why the GC will do so well. People who live for games and love originality will go for the GC. Nintendo are probably the most original developers around (not forgetting SEGA). The GC has full support from the likes of CAPCOM,KONAMI and more importantly RARE (remember the developers that brought us Goldeneye)! The GC wont fail because of its price structure and it does what it says on the box (so to speak). It's a well made GAMES MACHINE, NOT and entertainment system, just purely for fun.

XBOX launch price for UK=over £300 with a game

The XBOX will do well mainly from the vast expenditure MS are pumping in for marketing. Many developers, but NO originality. With NO pro evolution aswell, there's no way I'm getting one :)
The launch games in the US were above average in many cases the titles like HALO and DOA3 only seem to be the main ones that stand out though. People don't buy a games machine for a few games, but there will be more games on the way, most pc converted games. DVD playback is a bonus but £29.99 for remote??

PS2=£199.99 in UK
has plenty of games, chips are becoming widely available soon :) DVD playback out of the box and most importantly PRO EVOLUTION and GTA3. I've been on Pro evolution everyday nearly for upto 4 hours per day for 1 and a bit months! and still loving it!
the best option I reckon because of the large user base already installed and the crop of games that are flooding the market and nothing short of stunning! oh and VF4 is on the horizon so say no more!

The choice is yours, but I'm sick of arguing now, get what you want :)

Originally posted by Borgy
The XBOX will do well mainly from the vast expenditure MS are pumping in for marketing. Many developers, but NO originality...

The choice is yours, but I'm sick of arguing now, get what you want :)

You can't buy a market, but you must have deep enough pockets to successfully penetrate it. How can you say why the XBOX is doing well? It is doing well because people are buying it, this makes it a success (other than this it's just opinions). If they stop buying it no matter how much money MS pumps into it, it will be a failure (regardless of how original or whatever else you think is important that is has). If many developers make it a success without originality, that's what the market wanted. Who said you have to be original (or for that matter XBOX isn't).

If as you claim, and most of us agree, it's the games that are important, this is why the market is buying the XBOX console, not the money pumped into it or the number of developers.

The most insightful comment I have seen you post on this issue is "The choice is yours, but I'm sick of arguing now, get what you want" :)

Take it easy there, NO one is arguing at all. We are just having a discussion on the new systems is all. Not anything else just simple game systems not world politics or anything else. It's just gaming and for that matter it's not all that important when you come right down to it so take a chill and give the systems a try, seems like you have alot of energy so burn some of it off and play HALO! lol... (after all we are just gamers here)

To get back to the topic. I like all the systems I just don't see alot of games I would like to see coming to the GC. I like it alot and it will most likely do well it's just right now for me I'm playing the X-Box and PS2. I'll keep my GC for the future and hope it comes through if it doesn't it will join my Sega Saturn in the closet. No big deal. Take care and here's to a great gaming future to us all. CFizz :cool:

what i want to know is how the gc graphics are better than the ps2 as the gc has up to 12 million pollygons a sec and the ps2 has 66 million a sec you would think the ps2 would be better but after looking at gc resident evil i dont think the ps2 could do graphics as good as that

all i can say is that its crappppppppppppppppp
they never support the system for a longtime
just like the good old n64 left that in a hole somewhere
as for the game cube yeah there some games out
but they are alllllllllll crap and not worth spending that kind of money
for sure
i follow the n64 and its a very good machine until they dropped it
my money has gone on the now one amazing games machine the X BOX
this machine out beats any games machine on the market now
and is here to stay for good


backup2k1(the name u can trust)

nintendo made many good consoles other than the n64, so why are u guys always comparing gc to n64

The Gamecube seems to be aimed at the "Kiddie" market. It has too many kid games, and not enough action/good games. I like my PS2 and play to buy a X-boy in about 3 months. The only reason Im going to buy a Gamecube is because they have the Resident Evil Series and has Wrestlemania X8. Thats the only reason

Originally posted by X_calibur
nintendo made many good consoles other than the n64, so why are u guys always comparing gc to n64

As the saying goes, what have you done for me lately?

ive played all three, ps2 is old news now, after ff10, mgs2 there are hardly any decent games on the horizon, and i for one am sick of the blurry graphics even with rgb proper cable, and even mgs2 wasnt the killer app everyone was hoping 4. only the top developers can get much performance out of it, and these games take years to develop.

xbox is overpriced at 300 quid, but will drop to 200, in 6 months i reckon, having played Halo and Rally Challenge, it is true next gen sound and graphics, blows away the ps2. period. only prob is hasnt been modded or cracked yet. wait a few months i reckon, also lots of sega games eg Shenmu 3, panzer dragoon, crazy taxi 3, metal gear x on horizon. This (and possibly the GC) is only console that does photo realistic backgrounds in games.

gamecube, dark horse, dont believe the crap about it being underpowered, got 485mhz processor, does many more polys than ps2, which can only do about 12million/s after all the filters it needs. anyone who has played rogue squadron on a 5.1 surround system will be converted. also seen a demo of resi evil, looks next gen 2. only problem is lack of support, may lose out to above 2. also the panasonic q has been apparently hacked, and dvdrs have been tested on it so may be advantage.

just want to say:
These are future details
The price drops will be as follows in UK:

PS2 = £132
GC = £105
XBOX = Unknown

read todays Daily mirror for full proof!

people who consistantly slate consoles who don't look at the release schedules should stop ASAP! there's no point!

sorry price of PS2 was wrong it is now confirmed as £145 ish

GC however wont drop for a bit I dount the xbox will aswell with it costing so much to manufacture!

Simply put - THE GAMECUBE IS THE BEST. Look at it, compare it to the N64 if you will. The PS2, x-box has loads of games - true, but how many games are actually worth having. Like the n64, the gamecube may have less games, but its the quality that matters. You'll end up with more cube games than ps2 games (or x-box) if you buy all consoles. The games are must have - already there is Star Wars, Smash Bros, luigi mansion, pikmin, Soccer slam, Resident Evil - Mario, Star Fox to follow. The evidence is clear, go buy a gamecube NOW!!!

Someone said about nintendo not supporting the consoles for long, well you can play the very first gameboy game (if you had it) on the gba, thats a while to me and also the n64 has been out for ages:) If you ask me the way nintendo have approached the gamecube by finally bringing in discs and also making it just for games will work and think of all the next gen sequals like resident evil , perfect dark 0, zelda, mario sunshine:D

WarpMan... ahh, alot of the good games you are talking about there won't be out until the fall and by then the GC could be pushing up daisies... They need the games now because ppl just won't wait...... I for one won't... cya

umm... CFizz, all but 2 of the games that Warpman named, are already out in the US or Japan. Compare Resident Evil (out now) to any game on the PS2 :laugh: and XBox. Nobody can dismiss the Gamecube for lack of power.

I've read that the XBox ain't exactly selling like hotcakes in Europe or Japan, even if it is selling well in the US.

One more thing, about the Cube being hacked to play DVDR's - fake (http://www.lan-kwei.com/newsE/).

ragingdevil well said m8!

totally agree!

the sales for the xbox are laughable to be honest. And with NO price drop on the horizon the XBOX will fail. Fait enough if you think cracking the USA will mean it's a winner! lol Japan is the main place.... and it's not performing well there too!

alot of money is lost per unit sold with the xbox so you can forget a price drop.

I'm sick of people saying GC is for kids etc. It's a console for god sake not an action figure the games are highly addictive and some of the best gameplay to be seen appears on Nintendo consoles. And with Sega firmly wedged up there arse the GC wont fail!

2 wors for you ppl

RESIDENT EVIL

it comes out june 28th so thats when i wil be buying my gamecube,has any1 seen the gamecube advert yet?

Originally posted by x_ecutioners
RESIDENT EVIL FOR GAMECUBE OUT JUNE 28TH!!!!!

RESIDENT EVIL FOR GAMECUBE (Japanese version) OUT NOW (about 2 weeks ago now)!!!!!

I agree that the RE remake looks amazing...and I'll definitely give it a rent just to check it out...but...if it plays just like the original, and the import reviews state that this is the case, then you can keep it...it was cool 10 years ago, but after seeing and playing the superlative Devil May Cry, among other next gen efforts, I don't think the sluggish control scheme is going to hack it...sorry to say, my opinion of the Gamecube's state in the industry hasn't changed a bit...and while it's true that the X-Box's sales in both Japan and the UK have been far from the numbers achieved in the U.S., a quick glance at the upcoming games lists should put people's minds at rest as far as that console's longevity is concerned...all the consoles have another year or two left in them...at the very least...but I think it's pretty hard to deny that the Gamecube's line-up is looking anemic, at best...also, calling Luigi's Mansion, Pikmin, and an NBA Jam-style soccer game "must haves" would be like me stating that everyone needs to go out and buy Project Gotham for the X-Box...it's an awesome game and probably still MY favorite for the Box', but it's definitely not something that's going to appeal to everyone...maybe when Super Mario Sunshine, Perfect Dark Zero, and Zelda show up I'll change my tune, but I'm betting I've got a year or so to think about that...

best,
jags

the game cube has to few games worth playing and I think nintendo will lose this round.

Nintendo is going to come out with some good games for the gamecube. I hope microsoft gets the xbox stuck right back up their fat a**es. Also, I think that what makes the xbox crap is that almost none of the games ar original. Like the taxi game coming out, it looks a whole lot like crazy taxi? Then the new jet grind radio is coming out. If microsoft can't do any games for themselves then let them die.

Wow mwa, I honestly don't know what to say...lol

First, the taxi game you're referring to? Slap on some glasses chief, it IS Crazy Taxi! lol The reason it looks so much like CT is that it is the next installment in the series. Second, Jet Set Radio Future has been out for a while now. Third, considering neither of those games are ports and there's no way either could be handled by the PS2 without taking out a few chunks of the game, I guess your entire argument is that the games on X-Box aren't original enough. This is funny, seeing as how the majority of blockbuster titles on the PS2 are sequels to popular PSX games. Can Microsoft "do games for themselves"??? I think they can...and I also think there would be plenty of people on here who would disagree with you.

By the way, what was the last "Sony done" title you played that was such a blockbuster??? I know what it wasn't...it wasn't GTA3, nor was it GT3, Final Fantasy, or MGS2...or maybe you're thinking about those excellent sports games 989 Studios produces? lmao

jags

exactly Sony knows it's limits! That's why it has so many good games for the PS2. Ask yourself where GT3 and GTa3 are for the XBOX??? nowhere to be seen! Final fantasy??? Nowhere to be seen. That's the difference m8y! :)

oh good grief Chuck Brown!

PGR is just as good as GT3 and Rallisport does rally racing flat out better!

GTA3 is coming to the X-Box Borgy...want to put a 10 quid bet that'll be one of the major announcements at E3???

Final Fantasy is a great series...but c'mon...are we really going to be missing out on a series that essentially hasn't changed since VII??? I think Sony owning a stake in Squaresoft may have something to do with this as well, don't you? I'll keep my Morrowind and Project Ego and be more than happy m8y! :D

I don't know where this topic is going. But I believe gamecube will be fine in the system run. Its the xbox that I'm worried about. The sales numbers in japan for xbox right now are really low. PS and Dreamcast are even beating it. Don't say "Japan doesn't matter" cause it does. Game companies do want to publish a game with a large user base around the world. Xbox lowering the prices in a few countries will have them lose even more money. XBox is a good system, but they need to release a few more quality games (like gamecube). This year's E3 is going to be interesting.

lol, never seen so much bullshit in my life!

GT3 is the best racing game of all time. Fair enough not that good in rally mode. But then there's Colin McCrae on the way, and toca.
Your hoping that GTA 3 will be announced as it hasn't been confirmed as yet and with the current record breaking rate (JOKE) The Xbox is selling I'm sure loads of companies will waste there time/money bringing games that will sell a tiny amount on a console that's struggling. As for FF I'm not interested in it myself but to say it's the same game is wrong. The series has come on alot in the past few years and has many fans, oh and also it helps consoles sell.

lol, looks like the old Borgy is back...woohoo!...way to go!!! you seem a bit more agitated than usual, bst changes got ya' down?

"GT3 is the best racing game of all time" = talk about your b.s.!!! LMAO since this is so obviously a bunch of biased nonsense on your part, I'm not even going to respond...also, I don't remember saying that GT3 is a bad game??? In fact, it's probably my overall favorite...although I would respect people who said their favorite was Sega GT, Test Drive Le Mans, PGR, etc, etc...you obviously cannot fathom someone declaring anything but GT3 as the best ever. Short-sightedness, perhaps?

GTA for the X-Box has been confirmed...a while ago actually. Gee, this is just off the top of my head, but I would say that it will cost them little or nothing to port the pc version over to the X-Box. It pays not to be an incredibly difficult system to develop for, eh? As it's been said numerous times before Borgy, the X-Box is doing quite well over here. The North American market alone is enough to entice new developers to make games for the console. And who said FF doesn't have many fans??? It's probably one of the best known games on the planet, period. You are so clever at moving away from the point, aren't you?

By the way, you don't think GT3 is all that good in rally mode??? I think it's great...c'mon, it's the "best racing game of all time!" :D

Let me know when you address something relevant to the topic, m8!

Outlaw, I agree with you totally...Japan does matter. However, I think it's just too early to put up the red flags just yet. As for more quality titles, I'll have to disagree with you there. Considering that Gamecube releases are relatively few and far between when compared to the other consoles, exactly which GC titles do you think surpass X-Box titles in terms of quality? I can think of...Star Wars: Rogue Leader and Smash Brothers...those are both great titles...what else?

This is a consumers opinion forum afterall Jag. This means we have a right to express our own opinion ;)

yeah pissin me off a bit with the buy/sell/trade forum down! :(

lol, I never said you couldn't express your opinion...never take anything I say here personal...it's all just videogames right? as for the forums being down, are they still down for you??? thought they were all up and running now...if you don't have a direct link I've seen links to bst-europe in the open forum and in the help forum...might want to check there...

jags

cheers m8 :) will give it a go.

Well there is resident evil, eternal darkness, zelda, mario and metroid. Just to name a few ^_^. Xbox has some pretty good games comin up in the summer. So many games........so little time. Hopefully my friend will let me go with him to e3. =X

Buy all 3 and when you get fed up of one of them, sell it and use the money to buy more games for the others. Microsoft is powerful, but they are selling a machine at a heavy discount that is not popular in Europe or Japan. If they can't make it in America either then they are in real trouble in the games market....

X-Box is having no trouble in North America whatsoever...up until last week it was #2 in console sales right behind the Playstation 2...

not really anything really to do with this, but will GTA3 ever be coming out on the GC?

IMHO

I think the gamecube is the new dreamcast, what I mean about that is you can turn it on and get straight into a fun playable game very quikley. I have Luigi's Mansion and Sonic Battle, and both are very pleasing graphicly and very playable. I love the look of it and hope they come out with someway of ripping the games out!

Playstation2: The PS2 has the best games, but some people complant about the graphics, Sony never unleash there best graphics to the end. Just Like PS1, there games got better as time went on. PS2 is still number 1

Gamecube: Good system, but has too many kiddy games. Its not Nintendos fault, its the game develpers. The more adult rated games like GTA3 and MGS2 seem to be more interested in the PS2 and X-box. Nintendo's best system was the NES, and the SNES. The N64 was just crap, and and the GC is its little brother.

X-box: The system that has all the power, but too few good games. 2nd best in the world. Seems to have the PS2 2nd games, meaning it comes out on PS2 the X-box(GTA, GT4, MGS2=MGSX

Gamecube kiddy? I don't think so. I would gamecube has a game that everyone can play for all ages. From resident evil to smash bros. PS2 will always be known as the number one system unless some system can top it.

the psx2 only has the best games because it has soo many, and there isnt even alot of good ones anyway.

if gta3 comes to GC then its easy winings.

kiddie?? i think not, if being able to turn on a game and get straight into it is kiddie, then call me a kid because i prefer that to the mgs, gta3 reading, learning and general build up.

sega has allways made the best games imo, and i am glad they are workig on games only now. we should se some belters!

GC is for kids end of story

Originally posted by Deforce
GC is for kids end of story

You dug up an old topic just to add that comment? :laugh:

Gamecube plays games. The Xbox and PS2 plays games. If the Gamecube is "kiddy" then both the Xbox and PS2 are kiddy too. Besides, all the teens are buying both the Xbox' and PS2' anyway just to be more "mature".

Surely the thing about videogames is that playing them is for kids.I mean I am old enough to know that my hobby seems childish to people who don`t play games.Whats wrong with kiddie games anyway? I see lego football and lego racers Barbie Britneys dance beat all on the Ps2 and yet because it has GTA 3 its a grown up machine.GTA 3 is a kiddie game is it not the whole idea of stealing cars and shooting people is surely meant to appeal to younger gamers who want to try it because its got an 18 rating.It would make no sense at all to ignore probably 60% of the videogames market just to appeal to a few hardcore gamers.So I think my point is don`t buy kiddie games if you don`t want to but don`t write off the gamecube because there is a few cute cuddly animals on it.

ok lot of ifs and buts but i gotta say i traded my ps2 in for a gc and am happy with what i got i got sick of cheap 3rd rate games coming out for ps2 u prob get 1 decent one in 15 games i mean for how long the ps2 has been out who can name 15 top quality games for it that dont last 10 mins i had smackdown3 yeah great game but graphics seemed blocky ust bought wrestlemania x8 for gamecube and wow i am impressed as i am with resi evil (graphics) luigi mansion (graphics and playabiity) pikmin this has to be one of the best puzzle games around and im looking forward to picking up mario sunshine tommorow they say the best things comes to those who wait and u just wait come xmas gc will be up there

Wow, didn't think I'd see this post again! :D Well, I guess I'll throw my 2 cents in since posting this topic around 10 months ago...

Mario and Starfox made it!!! Even though I have heard that there are parts of Mario that definitely looked a bit rushed...and that the camera could have used more work, word of mouth is that the game is a worthy successor to Mario 64. Starfox is a beautiful-looking game, as is almost always the case with the guys at Rare...personally, I'd rather stick to flying in the Arwing, but it seems they did a great job of converting the old N64 title into a great GCN Starfox game...which leads me to my next point...

The Gamecube is Dead!!!

;)...I'm kidding of course, but the loss of Rare is, IMHO, a harsh blow to both the Gamecube and Nintendo's fans. I don't care what percentage of Nintendo's profits are attributed to Rare, the word of mouth and insider gossip that Rare generated for Nintendo was second to none among second-party developers. A Rare game was just that...rare. You just knew that whatever they were working on was going to be great...once it was released a couple of years down the road ;). Well, sorry boys and girls but apparently, Nintendo doesn't need Rare anymore. I've also got some great swamp land in Florida that I'll sell you real cheap if you're interested :D...

This may have been Nintendo's worst move ever...worse than making the N64 cartridge-based, worse than using those stupid proprietary format mini-dvd disks, and maybe even worse than making Metroid a generic FPS. Nintendo needs all the help it can get...and letting a quality developer slip thru their hands...only to be snapped up by the ambitious minds over at Big M$, only makes their situation worse. Nintendo had their time at the top and there's little doubt that they'll be successful in whatever they do...but in my mind, their recent actions have taken themselves out of the console race. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing...to sit back and let the other two fight it out and hope that you'll be able to plug yourself in to that number two position after Sony or Microsoft runs and cowers in a corner. But I do think it signifies an end to Nintendo's role as a leader in the videogame biz...


jags

Originally posted by jaguarsin2001
Even though I have heard that there are parts of Mario that definitely looked a bit rushed...and that the camera could have used more work


Yup, Mario is buggy in some places - you can fall through solid objects and die (trees, ships). The camera is fully dependent on the player and its up to the player to manage and deal with it (C-stick). The camera is fine for the most half, but is difficult in some levels (most notably in the fairground level where you have to climb upto the top of the merry-go-round), but like I said, just deal with it, and you'll get through.


and maybe even worse than making Metroid a generic FPS.


From opinions of people who have played it, it is more of an adventure game in a first person view. Described as Zelda 64 in a first person perspective. It plays more like Zelda than say Halo. Only similarities it has to a "generic fps" is the obvious viewpoint.


Nintendo had their time at the top and there's little doubt that they'll be successful in whatever they do...but in my mind, their recent actions have taken themselves out of the console race. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing...to sit back and let the other two fight it out and hope that you'll be able to plug yourself in to that number two position after Sony or Microsoft runs and cowers in a corner. But I do think it signifies an end to Nintendo's role as a leader in the videogame biz...
jags

Who knows what Nintendo are thinking, and what they have up their sleeves. You don't even know if Xbox users will even want to buy Kameo, Perfect Dark and whatever else after. Who knows, maybe it was a good move by Nintendo to offload Rare.

Also, Nintendo's role of "leader in the videogame biz" was over 7/8 years ago since the PSX.

Also, Nintendo's role of "leader in the videogame biz" was over 7/8 years ago since the PSX.

I disagree with this statement...yet, I'll take the blame since I should have clarified what I meant by that...I definitely did not mean from an economic/marketing sense...as you state very well, Sony introduced the Playstation and essentially, dominated these aspects. What I was referring to when I said "leader" was their innovation, their ability to be the first kid on the block with the new toy, so to speak. You may disagree...but I saw nothing revolutionary with Luigi's Mansion, nor do I see it with GC Mario (which I'll admit, I haven't played nearly enough as I did Luigi)...Waverace? Just a prettier version of the N64 game. SSB: Melee? Same goes for that one as well. Super Mario 64 revolutionized the videogame world...hell, it created an entirely new genre. I would say Zelda 64 did the same thing...sure it took a lot from Mario 64 and its successors, but I don't think I've ever played a 3D-adventure where I felt I had so much control as I did in the last 2 Zelda titles...and look how many party game clones Mario Party spawned...

My point is (as it was when the GC was first released)...other than a prettier picture, I'm not seeing these fresh, innovative, creative games that I am used to Nintendo delivering...do you?

jags

Yup, I will agree with you that right now, Nintendo aren't being as innovative as they were during the '64 days. Most Nintendo GC launch titles were either too short, or just updates. There are now some Nintendo games which stand out like Pikmin (short but sweet) and the new Animal Crossing, StarFox, Eternal Darkness etc.

Its Nintendo's own fault though. They made Mario 64, Zelda OOT/MM etc. too good, and peoples expectations of Nintendo are too high. Everyone expects Nintendo to be the innovative one. Where would the videogame industry be without Nintendo. The GC is still young, you can't write off Nintendo just yet.

For the most part I agree with you...but Nintendo used to be more than just Shigeru Miyamoto...sadly, I don't believe that to be the case anymore. However, I do agree with you 100%...it's too early to write off Nintendo...as for the Gamecube? Guess we'll find out ;)...


best,
jags

p.s. do you think anyone will appreciate that we didn't resort to "Gamecube Rules!" or "Gamecube Sucks!!"? :D

its too early to tell at the moment what will happen. however, i think that at the moment it looks like the early psx days: only a few decent titles across all 3 machines. time will tell. my difficulty is in deciding which machine NOT to buy, as i can only afford to buy (and spend time playing) two machines....

Originally posted by jaguarsin2001
but Nintendo used to be more than just Shigeru Miyamoto...sadly, I don't believe that to be the case anymore.

Miyamoto's got to be the most patient person in the games industry. Theres so much pressure on him from the fans etc. to deliver, and if he doesn't, people whine about how Nintendo are doomed etc.

Nobody's perfect, its just that Nintendo (and probably Sega) are more accurate at producing a quality game each time.

One more thing about the Rare sale. Nintendo may have lost Rare, but they do have a closer relationship between the major 3rd parties: Square are back with Final Fantasy on GC/GBA, Sega are being trusted with the F-Zero license as is Namco with the Starfox license, Treasure with Wario and its own Ikaruga, and Capcom have an even closer relationship with Nintendo (after being trusted with the 2 Zelda Gameboy titles), with its Resident Evil franchise exclusivity and more unannounced titles (Project Devil, whatever that is).


p.s. do you think anyone will appreciate that we didn't resort to "Gamecube Rules!" or "Gamecube Sucks!!"? :D

:D we're too mature for those teen comments.

Miyamoto's got to be the most patient person in the games industry. Theres so much pressure on him from the fans etc. to deliver, and if he doesn't, people whine about how Nintendo are doomed etc.

I agree with you wholeheartedly...I'm just not sure if that statement is in reference to my comments or not. ;) Personally, I'm of the impression that Miyamoto, unlike some of the other greats (read: Naka :D), can do (almost) no wrong. Some people believe Miyamoto gets too much credit...personally, I don't think he gets enough. I'm not sure about you, but I don't recall a time that Miyamoto has ever failed to deliver (and we're not talking shipping dates here guys ;)). Even Pikmin...a game that many journalists were labeling "the game that would send Miyamoto into retirement"...turned out to be great. Funny how quickly people shut up once it was released.

But that isn't what I was saying...I was saying that, in the past, a Miyamoto game was great...but it wasn't the only great game on Nintendo's roster. Looking at Nintendo's current releases, along with the upcoming titles, I'm just not seeing the blockbuster, sure-fire hits that I am used to seeing from Nintendo...simple as that ;)...if, for whatever reason, Miyamoto decided to quit the videogame biz and devote himself full-time to his banjo...well...Gamecube and Nintendo-devotees might have some real trouble on their hands...

(and we're not talking shipping dates here guys ;)).


:) At least Nintendo have greatly improved that factor. The games are being released more or less on the date specified (other than StarFox, Eternal Darkness). Also, Mario Sunshine a month later in each territory (Japan August, US September, PAL October). Completely different from before (Excitebike 64 PAL was released more than a year after the US release).


Even Pikmin...a game that many journalists were labeling "the game that would send Miyamoto into retirement"...turned out to be great. Funny how quickly people shut up once it was released.


Great game Pikmin. I was sceptical at first looking at the screen shots, thinking it was an RTS. Turned out to be completely different, and very fun to play. Short but sweet (like Luigi's Mansion).


But that isn't what I was saying...I was saying that, in the past, a Miyamoto game was great...but it wasn't the only great game on Nintendo's roster. Looking at Nintendo's current releases, along with the upcoming titles, I'm just not seeing the blockbuster, sure-fire hits that I am used to seeing from Nintendo...simple as that ;)


Ok, sounding abit dumb here, but name those past games.


...if, for whatever reason, Miyamoto decided to quit the videogame biz and devote himself full-time to his banjo...well...Gamecube and Nintendo-devotees might have some real trouble on their hands...

hmm..

i'm off to pick up MARIO SUNSHINE,5 years since a decent MARIO game was launched,that in itself warrents a gamecube on its own

Ok, sounding abit dumb here, but name those past games.

Well, here's a start ;)...

Originally posted by jaguarsin2001
Also, Nintendo's role of "leader in the videogame biz" was over 7/8 years ago since the PSX.

I disagree with this statement...yet, I'll take the blame since I should have clarified what I meant by that...I definitely did not mean from an economic/marketing sense...as you state very well, Sony introduced the Playstation and essentially, dominated these aspects. What I was referring to when I said "leader" was their innovation, their ability to be the first kid on the block with the new toy, so to speak. You may disagree...but I saw nothing revolutionary with Luigi's Mansion, nor do I see it with GC Mario (which I'll admit, I haven't played nearly enough as I did Luigi)...Waverace? Just a prettier version of the N64 game. SSB: Melee? Same goes for that one as well. Super Mario 64 revolutionized the videogame world...hell, it created an entirely new genre. I would say Zelda 64 did the same thing...sure it took a lot from Mario 64 and its successors, but I don't think I've ever played a 3D-adventure where I felt I had so much control as I did in the last 2 Zelda titles...and look how many party game clones Mario Party spawned...

My point is (as it was when the GC was first released)...other than a prettier picture, I'm not seeing these fresh, innovative, creative games that I am used to Nintendo delivering...do you?

jags

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personally im for nintendo.
they have soo soo much to work with. if i owned nintendo, i would hire maybe as much as twice the staff to get games going. they have a ton of exclusive games that are unbelievable. mario games arnt coming out as much as we'd like but think about titles such as metroid and earthbound who have deserved a sequal to for years and nintendo is just now getting around to them. nintendo has the potential no doubt in my mind. i hope they just release the games often enough. the xbox is stealing more of the playstation crowd than nintendo crowd, so thats also good for nintendo. BUT if microsoft continues to invest the kind of $ that they have been showing... there is no telling what will happen. most importantly though i think it comes down to exclusives. xbox has halo but thats just a start. playstation im not sure about anymore :\ looks like they dont care about it. nintendo has a hugh list of things to work with. if microsoft and sony continue to release games to pc though, why would i spend hundres of $ when i can wait to get them for pc??? just my 2 cents though :)

nintendo sucks! when will they come up with some original titles? Its mario this and starfox that now another zelda game, but when will the come up with something new. I have been playing those games for fifteen years. at least there are innovative new games for the other systems. I was sorry to see sega go.

Well, well... here we are again 9 months later and this post is still up trying to push the ole GC. And ahh, I think it's still in the same boat it was before, NO good games but maybe ONE! Oh well I bought that one and haven't really played it all that much so I really at this point could care less about the GC. I'll play my PS2 and say goodbye to the Big 'N' and the X-Box too for that matter. (Even though it seems to be doing well, kinda, ha! And I do play it more than the GC, not much but a time or two more.)

I really wanted them to do well but I just don't see it happening. Missed it by that much....... :(

Well, my overall opinion is that the gamecube reaches a different audence that the xbox or ps2. I would say the xbox and ps2 compete with each other, and they are more or less the same (ok, now watch the debating and flaming over xbox vs. ps2 start) But those consoles have a lot of games that are realistic, and the gc has a lot more fantasy, and cartoonish, etc. games. There is a place for all of that. I think the gamecube will be like the n64, a lot of good games, but you just have to be the right person. You will like the gamecube or you won't. Simple enough. If you want shooters and sports games go ps2 or xbox, if you want the best rpgs, fantasy, starfox, etc. kinds of games, go for gc.

Honestly, I don't understand why people keep bringing up this same topic.