I was just curious, what is the fastest CD Writer out so far?
I always see the 24 speed one with 24speed cdrs.

But i came across a 32x speed cdr, and was wondering whether faster cd writers where already out?


And another thing, will CD Writers stop becoming faster when they reach a certain speed, or is it possible to continue at the rate of lets say, CPUs?!?

Um...32x are the fastest out there I've seen. There's only a difference between 24x and 32x. 32x is 15 seconds faster, that's it. So if you're going to get a 32x, go for a 24x, save money plus just have a 15 second patience.

http://www.adambrogan.f2s.com/nuke.jpg

WHAT!:eek:

24x ---> 32x and only 15 seconds faster?!?

Are you sure?


Are there any online sites selling them? Just like to read the specs.


15 seconds - I'm sure it should be a lot faster :confused:

They are 32x max and have average writting speeds of around 26x for a full 80min CD burn compared to around 23x for a 24x burner... Even the soon to be released 40x burners are not that much faster than a 24x burner...

If you aren't writting a full CD then the differences would be even less and in some cases it is possible that the 32x drive might be slower, say compared to the yamaha 24x which is the fastest 24x drive.

Yup! 24x writers are the way to go :)

Cheaper and with only few seconds difference, it wins

As celtic_druid said, the burners work their way up to that maximum speed. Also when you take into account the lead-in and lead-out time, that accounts for a large amount of the burn time when the burner is that fast. How many times have you sat waiting for that %#@* lead-out to finish? :D

Plextor has announced a 40X burner that will start shipping in February.
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php3?ID=3266

When will we be able to burn an audio cd faster than we can rip it? I feel that day is closing in....
Why is the speed so important, BTW? With my 12X burner I just have time to make myself a nice cup of tea or coffee, before returning to my puter and go online (to this forum) :)

So will the 40 Speed one be a lot faster, or only be a few seconds faster like the 32x:confused:


I have a 12x speed and takes around 5-6 minutes to copy a CD full cd, but sometimes i copy several at the same time, and get bored of waiting and sitting around.

How long on average does the 24 speed writer take to write a full cd?!?

www.ebuyer.com sell the 32x cd writer

Originally posted by Trondos

Why is the speed so important, BTW? With my 12X burner I just have time to make myself a nice cup of tea or coffee, before returning to my puter and go online (to this forum) :)

Some people, like myself, like to mass produce cds. When I'm burning 50 cds, I rather have it done in 2 hours rather than 20 hours...

Yeah, there are some companies out there that can mass duplicate, but in my opinion - they are overpriced.

The Plextor 40x burner takes 179secs to burn a full 80min CD, which as I said is not that much quicker than a 24x burner.

From CD-R Info:

Plextor uses again Zone-CLV as the main recording technology and at the maximum 40x speed, with the use of 80min CD, the total recording time drops down to 179sec!

The 40x recording speed is reached by 4 steps: The drive starts writing at 20x, rises up to 24x, rises up to 32x and last reaches 40x. The 40x writing speed is reached at 54mins, when using 80minCD.

But what program? What settings? Icluded finalication?

Plextor 40X 179 seconds
Lite-on 24X 236 seconds(full 80min CD, CloneCD total time for finishing the CD)

Whoo a whole 57 second difference!!!

My best bet is to buy two lite-on 24X. Two lite-on 24X'es will still be a lot cheaper than one plextor 40X!!!

Plextor:
The drive is expected to ship at the end of February for $190.

Lite-on:
At that time when the plextor is launched you could probaly get the lite-on 24X for $70-80 or a 32X lite-on for $ 90-110

Originally posted by Oz
Yes it does seem at bit silly, saving a whole minut, big deal.

Kind of reminds me of an old car model in it's last year, new fancy colours, stripes, wider tyres, etc, just a little face lift.

What people (me) want, is a DVD burner which will burn a DVD-9 disc, the DVD-5 is just not good enough.


I agree that for most users it isn't a big deal, since they don't burn that much.
And I even read a review at cdrwcentral.com yesterday,
http://www.cdrwcentral.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=43
where the 32X Liteon burning at 32X was slower than the 24X Yamaha, for a FULL 700 MB worth of data (not a partial CD, where the 32X burner wouldn't even get to 32X, due to the zone shifts).

There are people such as Arc Ryeback who burn 50 CDs in a day.
If a 48X burner (due out in the next few months) is, say, 1min10sec faster per full CD, you're talking almost an hour a day in savings!

Another idea, as OC-Freak suggested, would be to get 2 24X burners, if your HD(s) is (are) ATA 133 and is (are) frequently defragged, and you have a fast P4 or Athlon DDR PC, you may be able to burn at 24X on both at the same time.
I once burned at 12X and 24X at the same time, using two burners, and neither drive's buffer went low enough for BURNProof (QPS 24X burner) or Seamless Link (Philips 12X burner) to kick in; therefore it may be possible to burn at 24X on two different burners simultaneously, especially since each has its own buffer, whereas some of the new drives only have 2MB buffers.

Originally posted by Arc Ryeback


Some people, like myself, like to mass produce cds. When I'm burning 50 cds, I rather have it done in 2 hours rather than 20 hours...


How do you find the time to drink enough coffee then? :confused: :D :laugh:

This is my config:

Primary master: Lite-on LTD-163 DVD-ROM
Primary slave : Lite-on LTR-24102B
Secondary master: Lite-on LTR-24102B
Secondary slave: Toshiba SD-M1502

All harddrives is on a promise raid controller(all the disks is ata 66 or ata100).

With this setup I'm able to:

1: burn the same stuff at 24X to both writers using nero, no buffer problems.

2: Copy on-the-fly from primary master to primary slave and from secondary slave to secondary master at 24X at the same time using clonecd. Buffer level is always around 95-99% I can even surf the web and listen to mp3 using winamp. No problems at all.

My record is copying 32 discs on-the-fly in one hour!!!!

My sys if somebody is interested:
Msi Kt7 turbo-R Limited edition KT133A
AMD T-bird(not XP) 1,4GHz
512Mb PC 133 SDRAM
3 7200rpm harddrives at promise fasttrack 100 controller
ATI Radeon 8500(kicks gf3 ti 500 very easy :D)
SB Live! 5.1 Platinum
Dynalink ISDN card
3com 3c905c network adapter

All this in a helluva big Addtronics 7890A case with wheels, and a crazy sized enermax EG-651PV-E PSU 550W.

Running w2k pro sp2

All burners over 16x use Z-CLV technology except the Yamahas (which is the major reason the Yamaha is the fastest 24x burner). The problem the 32x burners have is they share the same initial burning speeds with the 24x burners and just add one more zone. Therefore they are not any faster than most 24x burners, and slower than the Yaamaha, until they hit the final 32x zone.

The 40x burner, from Plextor at least, starts out at 20x rather than 16x, and this will produce a more substantial increase in the average burn speed, raising it by about 4x at the first two zones and 8x for the last two.

As OC-Freak said two 24x burners could be a viable alternative, but not in all cases. For starters, not all 40x will be as expensive as the Plextor, then you will require one additional drive bay, one more IDE connection and more CPU power. Finally, everyone (even those burning 50 CDs per day) are not burning two or more copies of the same CD. If your backing up your Hard Drive for example, your burnware or system may not make support simultaneous copies of different sources.

OC-Freak, that is very impressive :tup:

I woudl like a similar set up but am worried that the copying speeds will actually be effected. At the moment it takes just over 3 mins to record full cd on LiteOn 24x! Does it still take the same time on both drives?

Originally posted by maildodge
OC-Freak, that is very impressive :tup:

I woudl like a similar set up but am worried that the copying speeds will actually be effected. At the moment it takes just over 3 mins to record full cd on LiteOn 24x! Does it still take the same time on both drives?

OC-Freak has already answered this and the answer is yes (the same time on each drive): http://www.cdrom-guide.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9374

Originally posted by Keymaster
All burners over 16x use Z-CLV technology except the Yamahas (which is the major reason the Yamaha is the fastest 24x burner). The problem the 32x burners have is they share the same initial burning speeds with the 24x burners and just add one more zone. Therefore they are not any faster than most 24x burners, and slower than the Yaamaha, until they hit the final 32x zone.

The 40x burner, from Plextor at least, starts out at 20x rather than 16x, and this will produce a more substantial increase in the average burn speed, raising it by about 4x at the first two zones and 8x for the last two.

As OC-Freak said two 24x burners could be a viable alternative, but not in all cases. For starters, not all 40x will be as expensive as the Plextor, then you will require one additional drive bay, one more IDE connection and more CPU power. Finally, everyone (even those burning 50 CDs per day) are not burning two or more copies of the same CD. If your backing up your Hard Drive for example, your burnware or system may not make support simultaneous copies of different sources.

Good info Keymaster.
I just wanted to add that when I was burning with my 12X and 24X burners simultaneously, I was creating two VCDs from two different .mpg files. So Nero is one program that allows burning from two different sources simultaneously, for those who are considering it.

OC,

I am refering to your other thread about your fantastic results using two LiteOn 24X's.

I will just re-cap on my system details to make this one easier m8.

ECS K7S5A mobo

Athlon XP 1800+

512mb DDR RAM (Crucial)

Promise ATA 100 RAID card

IBM GXP60 40g HD

LiteOn 24102b CDRW

Plextor 16/10/40A CDRW

Sony CDU-5211 CD-ROM

LiteOn Ltd-163 DVD

NVidia TNT M64 Pro 32mb graphics card

Standard 300W PSU

Lots of cooling fans!


Now here is the question m8, if I get rid of the Plex an add another LiteOn 24X with the intention of recording in Nero/Feurio to both drives at once, do you think that I should change my PSU for something with a bit more beef as we English say? :D

To calculate the time required in minutes, just divide 74 or 80 (depends how long the cds are) by the write speed:

16x for 74 min cd: 74/16 = 4 mins 37 secs
24x for 74 min cd: 74/24 = 3 mins 5 secs
32x for 74 min cd: 74/32 = 2 mins 18 secs
40x for 74 min cd: 74/40 = 1 min 51 secs

16x for 80 min cd: 80/16 = 5 mins 0 secs
24x for 80 min cd: 80/24 = 3 mins 20 secs
32x for 80 min cd: 80/32 = 2 mins 30 secs
40x for 80 min cd: 80/40 = 2 mins 0 secs

Of course this is the highest the burner can write at provided taht it writes at it max speed through out the burn processk, this is not the time it will take to burn the cd in reality (due to the lead in and lead out process).. this is just the method.

Of course writers above 16x DO NOT burn at the same speed through out the burn process with a few exceptions

Originally posted by Lazza

Now here is the question m8, if I get rid of the Plex an add another LiteOn 24X with the intention of recording in Nero/Feurio to both drives at once, do you think that I should change my PSU for something with a bit more beef as we English say? :D

I see no reason why you can`t record to your Plexy and your Liteon simultaneously in your current setup? Have you tried it?

Speed isn't that important to me because.. I only burn Audio CD's at my burners max. I've got a 16x10x40 yamaha and 90% of the time I burn at 8x. This is because I burn SVCD's to play in my dvd player and if I burn at a speed over 12x the audio/video go out of sync and the picture breaks apart on any kinda of CDR I use (even TDK/Verbatim). So I'm forced to burn at 8x which takes 11 minutes to burn a full cd. PSX games I burn at 12x and my music CD's I burn at 16x. so since I burn a ton of SVCD's and can only burn at 8x, the speed of the burner doesn't matter to me:).

Originally posted by shahzadsk
...Of course writers above 16x DO NOT burn at the same speed through out the burn process with a few exceptions

I don't beleive there are any exceptions to this. As I posted previously, as far as I know all writers above 16x burn using Z-CLV technology except the Yamaha 20x and 24x which use P-CAV. So a simple calculation to determine the disk burning times based on max speed is not only optimistic, it is unrealistic.

The reason the yamaha 24x burners are faster than other 24x burners is that each additional zone further reduces the average burn speed below the max. The Yamaha has no shift points, it simply starts slower than 24x, but when it reaches 24x shortly into the burn, it maintains that speed. The 32x burners only average about 26x, because they start at the same speed as 24x burners and simply shift to one additional 32x zone, which may never be reached if the CD does not contain enough data. The 40x burners will offer more improvement in burn speeds since the first zone (on the Plextor at least) is 20x instead of 16x.

Originally posted by Trondos


I see no reason why you can`t record to your Plexy and your Liteon simultaneously in your current setup? Have you tried it?
I've just removed it m8 to fit in my other system, I'm sure it would work too with the LiteOn but I've not had the need to try it until now really. I like the idea of both discs finishing at almost the same time so I can load 2 more in. And with the LiteOn's being almost given away these days, I just can't resist it! :D :D

Just not sure whether leaving my PSU at 300W is such a great idea that's all. What do you think?

Just to add my 2 pence worth my set up is
Amd 1.4 Athlon chip
A bit KT 7 Raid Mobo
2 24 Liteon Cdrw
60 G HD 7200 rpm
512 Pc 133 Mem
ATI Radeon 8250 Graphics card
I do mulitple copies of the same disc and for an 80 min disc inlcuding Lead in and Lead out you are looking at 4.30sec
both drives finish within 20 seconds of each other and produce beautifuly burnt discs no errors oh use Datasafe double protection discs

The point I realy want to make is now these drives are getting faster and faster there was a time where I could go downstairs make myself a brew and come back in time to watch the discs spit out and then reload them
now I am having to spend all my bloody time sitting there as by the time I have got the discs in and sorted out my next batch its time to change them :D :D :D

is anyone else having the same (problem:) ) or is just me if they get any faster like one member said the thing will be writen before u put it in the drive
oh one last point whilst I am writing this post another 2 discs have just finished this realy is not on :)

Well angel, at least with a faster burner you have choices. :D

I have a 24x Plexter and i am very happy with it. I don't like this idea of bringing more speed to the Cd Writer. I don't even burn at 24x as i won't my backups to work 100%. I have found burnin at faster speeds fuks up a few copies here and there and i would rather wait that extra 1 min for it to do it properly. It is like the 52x CD Rom units. Man are they noisy and sometimes skip data on CDr. SO the fater the Cd Writer there is then the more chance it has of missing that little tiny file that makes us all money :)
All a suggestion folks :) :beer:

You should never burn at any speed that creates errors in the burn process. However, newer burners are optimized for burning at higher speeds. Your 24x burner probably burns most media sources better at 24x or 16x than at 4x, and certainly better than some 4x burners burnt at 4x (they certainly didn't have burnproof for example). Not only are burners faster, but they are built better technologically. This is true of CD and hard drives as well. They may be noiser, but that doesn't mean they are more error prone. 15K RPM drives are noiser but less error pprone than older 2400 RPM drives. 56khz modems are better and less error prone than 1.2khz modems were.

Speed should not be confused with quality, when it involves technology. The 40x Plextor offers a number of other improvements over the 24x drives, including 12x CD-RW. This is from the Plextor press release:
NEWS
Press Release: January 22, 2002

PLEXTOR® SETS NEW BENCHMARK FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE WITH 40X CD-RECORDING SPEED

New Black Tray and Optimized PCB Circuits Help Reduce Jitter and Increase Recording Quality
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Fremont, Calif. - January 22, 2002 -- Plextor Corp., a leading developer and manufacturer of high-performance CD-related equipment and software, today announced the immediate release of the PlexWriter™ 40/12/40A CD-RW optical disk drive. The internal drive delivers industry leading performance with 40X CD-Recording, 12X CD-ReWriting, and 40X-max Read speeds, making it the fastest CD- RW drive available on the market today. Recording at 40X speed, the new drive is capable of burning a 650 MB disc in just over three minutes while maintaining the highest quality and stability.
The PlexWriter 40/12/40A includes several new features designed to increase recording quality. For the first time ever, the PlexWriter drive features a black CD-holder tray, which Plextor lab tests found reduces C1 error rates. Optimized PCB circuits near the power supply help decrease noise and provide clean power to the drive, improving both jitter and deviation levels. A new diagnostic function empowers users by helping them determine whether write errors are caused by the drive, the media, or the system.

"Achieving high-quality 40X recording speeds is a significant milestone, proving that Plextor continues to lead the market in performance and reliability," said Howard Wing, vice president of sales and marketing for Plextor. "We have also developed a host of exciting new features that debut with this new PlexWriter drive making the recording process more reliable. We know that many users will appreciate the Hi Speed CD-ReWrite speed of 12X making the Plextor 40/12/40A ideal for backup data applications".


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BURN-Proof and PoweRec-II Technologies Ensure High-Quality CD-Recording
The PlexWriter 40/12/40A features the most advanced design and engineering, including innovative BURN-Proof™ technology, for maximum reliability. Using a slow source drive or attempting to perform multiple tasks while recording a CD can lead to buffer underrun errors that render the disc unusable. BURN-Proof technology prevents buffer underrun errors, so end-users can multi-task by sending email or surfing the Web while recording a high-quality CD.

The PlexWriter 40/12/40A also features PoweRec-II™ technology, a sophisticated media-writing strategy that guarantees recording results across a broad base of certified media. A unique feature calibrates the drive to each media disc to ensure the highest quality write operation using Zone-CLV servo positioning. This process produces the highest quality written disc possible.

Check the Plexor Site (http://www.plextor.be/English/sales/sales.html) for where to buy it in UK (there won't be much discounting on a drive that was just released).

Keymaster
were just wondering does it have a smart-x- interface???:confused: