Everyone knows that Panasonics companys name is "matsushita"

well look what I found on there website
http://www.matsushita.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en020219-4/en020219-4.html

and on Sonys
http://www.sony.co.jp/en/SonyInfo/News/Press/200202/02-0219E/

9 Japanaese gaints, including Panasoinc, Sony, Sharp and Philips, have invented a new DVD, called Blu-ray, should be out by the end of the year! New laser Technology, that has enabled to have upto 27GB of data on one disc and will be able to reach 50GB n the future, is set to come out

Fast Data Transfer (meaning its easy to have a Blu-ray vidoe camara

Large storage space

Recordable formate unlike DVD

I found this Interesting site with lots of information on Blu-ray!
www.Blu-rayTalk.com

Just think, people can watch Movies at the highest quality, have there whole hard drive on one disc, no bul$hit regions like r1, r2

This is going to change the world!

It's definitely not going to "change the world" but nevertheless, it's a great step in storage capacity on optical medium. Whether or not it will replace the DVD is a big if. Most likely, when these systems hit the market, the cost will most likely be in the $2000 range. And will this new laser be compatible with the already millions of DVD's circulating around the world?

This is old news (for me)... They have been working on Blue Ray technology for years, so although something may come out before the end of the year, it will not be mainstream for a fair while yet, esp. since the movie industry has made deals to make sure that the DVD spec keeps going for a while longer.

Yep, Blu ray is being developed with the US and Jap markets in mind so they can "tape" their HDTV broadcasts.

The data rate is so high on HDTV that standard dvdr will only manage about 10mins.

Plus it's the next step in storage.

Not going to dent DVD though - DVD is the new VHS and look how long that lasted even against superior formats.

DVD will be the choice for many years to come.....

Originally posted by gambit_360
It's definitely not going to "change the world" but nevertheless, it's a great step in storage capacity on optical medium.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but I bet someone made the EXACT same statement about DVD's before they came out. Actually I think if they make these players backwards compatable with DVD players then we will see both standards take off and eventually this standard will replace DVD.

I think everyone is missing the point here.

1. Blu-Ray has been developed mainly for data storage & Movie storage is just an extra benefit.

2. The technology is aimed more for at a business level than a general public level ( Yes eventually it will reach the public )

3. It will take a good few years before the cost of producing these type of discs will come down to a price that is comparible to DVD.

4. Hollywood studios have invested far too much money into DVD to allow it to fade away.

5. VHS has been going for a good 25 years or so & it's still going strong today even though DVD is selling twice the amount of VHS.


Everyone should just stop the panic until you see a Blu-Ray video player sitting on a store window.

This development has been goin on for many years and as Kaiserboy said, VHS has been goin around for 25 years and counting so dvd won't be replaced by this or any other format in the near future.

VHS could still be sellin in 25 years but it probably still won't be dead, Many people don't want to buy a DVD player if they only watch a few films!

People who want to buy DVD players have them! and alot of the general public won't want to buy DVD writers till they come down in price like VHS did eventually!

Kaizer,

DVD was started in the same way. It was meant for Data with Video being a side intrest. It took about 2 years from the original announcement in 95 before DVD really came out, and another year before it was consumer usable. Now its pretty damn cheap. I think we might see the exact same results with this as long as they make the players backward compatable.

In theory in 4 years everything will be digital and people will be able to notice a difference in quality with there newer nicer tv's between DVD and Blue Laser. For older movies it probably doesn't make sense to buy the movie again if you already have it on DVD, but anything made in the last 10 years would probably benefit from the upgrade.

Yes DVD was started in the same.

Blu-Ray is not gonna make much difference to the average person who just wants to buy the film in digital format & watch a couple of extras, it will be more for the techie geeks.

I don't think stores need to be making room for Blu-Ray movie titles just yet !

I agree with you there. It will be at least 2006 (imho) unfortunately for a NORMAL consumer to buy it. Techinically a normal consumer also currently will not buy DVD-R either, but we have it as well. As soon as a writable version of blue laser comes out for under a grand I will probably be all over it.

Unfortunately being an HDTV owner I am now faced with a dillema of buying a DVHS STB or waiting for blue laser to be available in recordable format. . . I dont' know.

casset replaced the record

cd replaced the casset tape

dvd replaced the cd

and I think we all have to edmit sooner or latter>>>

Blu-ray disc will replace the dvd, yes people will be pissed cause we spent billions dvd'd and dvd placers and recorders

also they say by 2010 Blu-ray will hit the Billion dollar market, (specailists prediction) The main purpose of Blu-ray is an all purpose media

video games
music
movies
data

anything you can stick on the disc!

As i've said before it won't be as main stream as DVD coz it's far too technical for the average Person who just wants to watch a movie on a shiny disc.

High definition is a long way off in the uk also.

As i've said before it won't be as main stream as DVD coz it's far too technical for the average Person who just wants to watch a movie on a shiny disc.

whats so technical about it? I mean, at the end of the day if they stick a movie on the blu-ray disc and make a player for it, whats so hard apart from putting it into the player? The Video recording format is MPEG2 video, so whats so hard about putting that data on a blu-ray disc and selling it to consumers?

Main Specifications
Recording capacity: 23.3GB/25GB/27GB
Laser wavelength: 405nm (blue-violet laser)
Lens numerical aperture (NA): 0.85
Data transfer rate: 36Mbps
Disc diameter: 120mm
Disc thickness: 1.2mm (optical transmittance
protection layer: 0.1mm)
Recording format: Phase change recording
Tracking format: Groove recording
Tracking pitch: 0.32um
Shortest pit length: 0.160/0.149/0.138um
Recording phase density: 16.8/18.0/19.5Gbit/inch2
Video recording format: MPEG2 video
Audio recording format: AC3, MPEG1, Layer2, etc.
Video and audio multiplexing format: MPEG2 transport stream
Cartridge dimension: Approximately 129 x 131 x 7mm


I think its dvd thats more Technical then Blu-ray!

Originally posted by Postmaster
casset replaced the record

cd replaced the casset tape

dvd replaced the cd

and I think we all have to edmit sooner or latter>>>

Blu-ray disc will replace the dvd, yes people will be pissed cause we spent billions dvd'd and dvd placers and recorders


(quote) "cd replaced the casset tape" (end quote)
Cassettes are still around; sure they are much less popular now, but you can still easily buy a portable cassette player, car cassette deck or home cassette deck.

(quote) "dvd replaced the CD" (end quote)
This is inaccurate:
CD's are used mainly for audio, data and PC games.
DVDs are used mainly for video.
Sure, eventually DVD-AUDIO may replace CDs for audio and DVDs may also replace CDs for data, but not just yet.
Currently the two formats co-exist very well.
I mean how many audio titles (i.e. albums) do you see on DVD today versus audio CDs...

I think Laser Disk owners have had the same problem already. Do they buy the stuff over again on DVD or do they keep there old Laser Disks. Thats a dillema that I bet some are still fighting. Eventually they all cross over one way or the other.

At the end of the day the publc will speak with there money on wether they buy a new movie player called blu-ray or not.

You have to remember one thing though, blu-ray has been designed first & foremost to show off how much storage it can hold not how cheaply they can be made because as stated before even by it's own makers, it's not cheap & won't be for a few years.

To make a final point : Blu-ray discs will have to work in a caddy as they are too fragile to be handled without one, I don't know about you but i'd rather have a non caddy system like DVD.

At the end of the day DVD is one of the biggest success stories in home entertainment history & won't be vanishing any time time soon ( Not for about a another 15/20 years ) , All these pro-blu ray people are just blinded by the science of something that will be out of the ordinary consumers reach for a good years yet.

Does it all really matter, progress, it happens all the time, you buy stuff then a few years down the line something better comes out, that doesnt mean to say youve wasted your money, its all down to use you get at the time - simple economics

VEFF
when I say replaced I mean technology wise, and I'm sure Im right when I say

casset replaced the record

cd replaced the casset tape

dvd replaced the cd

and I think we all have to edmit sooner or latter>>>

Blu-ray disc will replace the dvd, yes people will be pissed cause we spent billions dvd'd and dvd placers and recorders

Sorry postmaster but you've been outnumbered on this thread mate.

DVD is here & will be here for another 20 years, it will always be the average persons choice for digital movie watching & blu-ray will be more for techie people.

Best example is SVHS recorders, VHS is inferior to SVHS but there's more VHS recorders in peoples homes than SVHS recorders !

Also if SVHS is superior to VHS how come you don't see hollwood movies on SVHS ?

Just because a cetain new format is superior it doesn't automatically mean it'll overtake it.

cassettes really didnt ever replace the record either. i have a crap load of records. alot of new records even. i still know a $#!+load of places all over the country that still sell vinyl. most of my bands records are on vinyl. me and almost all of the people i know still have turntables and new vinyl records. you can still buy brand new turntables & needles also.

about DVDs though. they may have surpassed CD in amount of space they can hold, but DVD really isnt all that old, it's kinda new technology still. people have spent alot of money on it and it's definately not going away ANYTIME soon.

My point exactly mate !!

The Blu-Ray is more of an evolution of the existing DVD format not a replacement. Any Blue-Ray capable DVD player will still be able to play the older media so don't say goodbye to it yet. It also tends to take a few years for anything new to actually catch on and gain momentum.