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Old May 08, 2007, 04:09 PM
ExcelSW20 ExcelSW20 is offline
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Hey all, I just recently rebought a Dreamcast off of eBay. I got a DC, Powerstone 2, Vigilante 8, and NFL Quarterback Club for $35. The auction description said the DC was 'universal' and could play PAL and Japanese games. The DC was manufactured in Sept. 1999 with a circled 1. Here is the auction: *****************.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...3765&rd=1&rd=1

Anyways, I'm at school now and don't have access to any of my DC games(all at home) so I decided to try to play back up copies, I heard how easy they were to make so I figured it wouldn't be too big of a deal.

I'm having the hardest time getting these back ups to work. So far, I've tried about 7 games and only got 1 to work. I've tried 4 different types of CDs(TDK, Memorex, Fujifilm, and some random AT&T brand), 4 different burning programs(Alcohol 120, DiscJuggler, CloneCD, and Dream Boot), and 2 different CD burners. Here is my problem:

Sonic Adventure(.cdi file) - burned with DJ at lowest speed, all default options. I get the DC screen, then the Sega screen, then a delay and the DC resets itself.

Jet Grind Radio and Trigger Heart Exelica(.cdi file): burned with DJ also, get the DC screen, then the Sega screen, then goes black and doesn't load.

Crazy Txi 2(.ccd file): Burned with Alcohol and CCD at lowest speeds. CloneCD I used the GameDisc profile, Alcohol I used the slowest speed, not sure what setting. Get the DC screen, gets to the Sega screen, then freezes on the Sega screen.

Ikaruga(.ccd file): Same methods as above. Get the DC screen, gets to the Sega screen, then turns white and freezes.

Armada(.cue/.bin file): Burn using Alcohol, lowest speed, unknown settings. Ran the Utopia Boot CD, put in game disc after it loads, the game disc loads with the Kalisto BG, goes black and never finishes loading.

So far I've only had success two times, with the Utopia Boot disc and Maken X. Utopia boot CD was burned using DJ on a Fujifilm CDR. Maken X was a .cue/.bin, burned using Alcohol, same settings, on a Fujifilm. Maken X definately works.

I've also tried cleaning the lens with a cotton swap and alcohol, and have also tried adjusting the GD-ROM laser(using this guide: ***********.whoneedsoxygen.net/index.php/2004/04/23/dreamcast-laser-calibration-trick/). Also, I've tried the games on Chankast(DC emulator for PC) and they all work, so I'm 90% sure I'm burning it right... I'm honestly baffled by what I could be doing wrong. The only thing I can think of is that the original owner put some kind of mod chip in to make it play games from other regions and this is interferring with it somehow, the laser is on its way out, or all the types of CDs I've used are bad quality...

Please, if you have any ideas, help me out!
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Old May 10, 2007, 10:52 AM
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it's not a laser issue. i guess it's your writer.
that the dc boots the games to some extend shows that it can read the different brands of cd-r's you are using, so thats not a problem either.

how slow is your slowest burning speed? also, that those games ran with chankast is a good hint that they are in fact selfbooting, but that doesn't mean that your writer burns them right. check the mastering method of the images (data/data or audio/data). might be that your writer can't write one of them correctly. i had the same problem, till i used one of my old writers again.
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Old May 11, 2007, 02:59 PM
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I have tried 2 CD writers. I burn them all at the slowest speed using the proper settings as well.
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Old May 21, 2007, 02:20 AM
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I have found in my many years of Dreamcast research, that if one is to play Dreamcast games on CD-Rs and GD-ROMs, they should have two systems, and use only 1 exclusively for CD-Rs and the other one for GD-ROMs. I don't know why, but it works for me. Using both formats on the same system tends to cause a short lifespan. It sounds like this Dreamcast of yours craves GD-ROMs.

Oh, what type of burner do you use? I have more sucess with my DVD-/+R/RW (single layer) burner than with my CD-R/RW burner. (both made by NEC)
Also my best burns are from Nero (*.nrg) images.
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Old May 21, 2007, 07:32 PM
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I have found in my many years of Dreamcast research, that if one is to play Dreamcast games on CD-Rs and GD-ROMs, they should have two systems, and use only 1 exclusively for CD-Rs and the other one for GD-ROMs. I don't know why, but it works for me. Using both formats on the same system tends to cause a short lifespan. It sounds like this Dreamcast of yours craves GD-ROMs.
sorry dude, but this is plain wrong...you don't know why, but it does extent lifespan? so, how do you wanna know that it does? in fact the myth that using cdr on a dc is going to damage the laser and shorten the lifespan is pure bs, nothing more
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Old May 28, 2007, 08:06 AM
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I said nothing about damagimg the laser.

It has to do with the GD-ROM drive itself, the motor that makes the discs spin.

If you want to put lead in your petrol, that's your call.
 

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